i don't know why my comment before didn't post but i'd have liked to see an L in out intercooler used instead and have one of the pipes goto the bottom of the manifold it would make for less piping... less boost drop.. and such

but most of all get a damn water to air.. hell i looked 10 mins at work and found one 3x 6 x 2"

 

i cant say im a huge fan of the design of that air/air manifold, and not because its air/air. my big concern is that you have the middle 2 runners that are about 1" long, and the outer runners look about 2" around the inner radius. having 2 short runners and 2 long runners with bends is going to be interesting as far as airflow goes. a 90* bend has the same flow resistance as a 10' long pipe of the same diameter. have you had it on a flow bench yet???

if you do build an ecotec version, will it be the same design??? i know the starter on the 2.4 twin cam is quite high up and im sure thats one thing your fighting. with an ecotec im sure you could have the opening to the blower larger (instead of sloping off so close to the inlet flange), and for the post cooler side, have the plenum lower down and some longer runners, or something that are at least equal length and bends. just some thoughts that came to mind.

regardless, i do like the idea of using an air/water intercooler close to the blower. if you had a same side inlet/outlet intercooler and place it above the front tranny mount, i think it could work. an air/water intercooler is going ot be more efficient than a core in the manifold, and less charge pipe length than a front mount air/air

 

I'm with this guy /\

 

Not really what I expected to see for a new higher flowing manifold design, but should be easy to attach some kind of water-chargecooler to this.
The flow distribution will be "interesting"....

 

what about the gtp intercooler, like the ones zzp makes?

 

Let them work. I think they have a better direction for the LSJ version.

 

it was just a suggestion

 

The main thing to keep in mind is the IM pictured is not for the LSJ. If they build an air-air replacement for the LSJ that means they can remove the IC pump and free up some space in front of the engine.

If I were designing a new IM I would take advantage of that freed up space and design a log style manifold with equal length runners to the cylinder head beneath the flange for the Supercharger.

Its just an idea.

 

the manifold pictured is for a ld9, the reason it has both outlet and inlet on the same side is bc there is a oil filter directly below the manifold, so we couldnt go straight down, although its what was wanted in the first place bc it would make for less piping, and less distance the air has to travel.

i have been talking with slowswap, and am looking to see what we can do. we have found some cores, but at the same time just bc it fits doesnt mean it will work better than the laminovas do...but we'll see what we can come up with, the IC cores im looking at are made by bell intercoolers....anyone have any ex with them?

 

well, you've restored my hope of seeing a better air-water HE for the LSJ...

dont crush my dreams! lol

 

 

Jn2 can you host the LD9 pics on here so I can see them? I am deployed still and the government still blocks almost everything cool.

 

sure, one sec





ok just got back from talking to vulcan seems, they will make the manifold to follow closely on how this one does, and if you want a/w intercooling it would be best to use this manifold in conjuction with a external water/air intercooler like these:

http://www.frozenboost.com/index.php...aa811d30e72cef

 

Tell Vulcan to not even bother. No one will buy an air to air manifold. It's a waste of time and money for them. If I had a welder I'd build something sick.

EDIT: And highly doubt a manifold similar to LD9 joke of a manifold will better then the stock LSJ.

 

exactly what i'm saying i'm sure you can find a heat exhanger thats small enough to put in there.. make it water to air, for 800 bux, and show gains and people will buy it

 

EDITED b/c im looking into other a few things, and working on a few designs....

 

I will not give up this water to air fight.

 

why is it that everybody is ripping on the air/air idea so much? i mean it seems like the concept has proved to be very sucessful for freakta, and im sure itd still be a significant improvement over the stock setup, not to mention im assuming itd be quite a bit cheaper than the air/water setup

 

water to air make significantly cooler intake charges and given the m62 produces alot of heat it's a better route

 

u shoudl run water/air then :p

 

i produce less heat but eventually i will air to air IS cheaper.. but not as effective

 

well if this isnt gonna happen. are u guys gonna atleast port the stock intake mani and do an exchange program?

 

OTTP offers that service. I'm pushing to get a manifold made.

 

well if its not gonna happen i atleast want a ported one if it will be worth gettin down performance wise

 

porting and single pass in being discussed with vulcan right now...

yup...ill fwd the pics over to vulcan later, prob on sunday sincei wont be near my comp tommorow