so what are we looking at for price on this thing?

 

Yes price and use a cheap ic, and pipes. They work just as good.

 

Doesn't look very flowing. You should have worked harder. I can find water to air cores smaller then you could ever want.

 

we were planning on garret water/air cores...

 

Look other places. Smallest from the site I'm looking at is 1.25" x 2" x 6". How much smaller could you possibly need?

 

Yes! Your not the only person to have tested one and not all m62's are installed on ecotecs... Air to air on m62 powered K20's is very common...

I personally want a water to air and it's my belief, after years of experience with the lsj and k20's using the the m62 that an air to air just isn't the best option.

An air to air can be made to work and work some what well with the m62 and even the tvs, but what happens when a much smaller pulley on the tvs or a large twin screw is used? "Some" people will need more and air to water becomes a better choice.

Example: I enjoy drag racing much more than autocross. As such I need my car to be able to drag race effectively. When I had an air to air on an M62 powered K20 the temps would stay low throughout the run but when I pull into the pits and wait for the next run, the temps will rise rapidly!!! Heat soak will happen!!! On my mostly stock LSJ M62 air to water setup with pump and fan bypass wiring, I can run the pump and fans while i'm waiting and maintain a much lower iat2 temperature and my lsj has a 2.8 pulley while the old k20 had a 3.1...


I also think an air to water will be easier to sell to the lsj community as most have spent between 400 and 800 on cooling mods already....
All that would be needed for an air to water "kit" for the average litely modded Lsj would
be the manifold with IC core attached... No Front Mount, no piping, no bs.

 

Cool to see a photo finally. Curious to see numbers.

 

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Thats looks like a very quality piece! Congrats!

A couple questions tho,
What size piping is being used to feed the front mount? It looks like 2.5 inch?
Will you have an option to purchase without the thermal coating?
Any idea on very rough price for the kit? ballpark?
Can someone just buy what you have pictured above and not the front mount or piping and supply there own setup?
Thanks!

 

all i was saying is that it works, i know im not the only one to have done it. i know diff cars do diff things but you said in your original post it wont work on a car with a 2.6 or 2.7 and we have put them on cars with those pulleys and had results similar to the one on my tvs... thats all i was saying.

i know where your comming from and i see how that makes sense and i can respect your opinion. but dont say something wont work when its been proven to work

 

Hey JN2, PM me if you want to know where to find much smaller IC cores so you can build a real manifold.

 

soo thats not what i was expecting...

 

Huge fail right? You should have made a custom one back in winter. You could show these guys what's up.

 

yes you can get the manifold alone with no piping and get your own ebay kit or w/e route u decide to go, thats fine...and the thermal coating is standard, doesnt cost anything more to add, so you could request one w/out it thats fine...

ps this is not the ecotec manifold...this is the LD9 one, while air/air could be done for the eco crowd, the eco one has not begun yet...although from what we ran into on the ld9 one, i can say we wont be using a garret water/air core like we had hoped for...

we'll know how this set up does once wade gets his car back...its got forged internals, so its ready for boost, currently on a 2.9" pulley so we will see what his IAT2's looks like vs those of a cobalts, yes diffrent engine but IAT'2s are measure before it reaches the engine...so it doesnt make much of a diffrence...


from what i have seen in the ld9 crowd our only compettion at the momment is OEM, who is trying to make a water/air set up

although i have tried to help them by telling them tube alone wont do it, and they dont have nearly enough to help cool down charge temps, and adding fins would help transfer heat, idk if they took my advice or not, i even made the suggestion to go dual pass or single on it

 

It'll never out cool a water to air setup!

 

i have thought about using a water/air set up using a barrel style IC like this one:
http://www.frozenboost.com/product_i...377bc40c0e8a93

there is a lot of possiblilites when it comes to cooling

 

It's just really important to me that my car preform well in drag racing. For me an air to air setup wont work for what I want it to do. I should have said that better the first time. I apologize! I know of your setup and have considered it!

The whole deal with both the SC 4cyls I have been involved with has been frustrating.

The K20 M62 with air to air was a nice setup but we pushed it's limits and at the end of the day, it couldn't be relied on at the drag strip. It created way to much heat and was only on a 3.1 pulley and a high compression 4cyl.

Now with the LSJ I'm seeing the same issues. A lower compression and water to air has helped greatly and allowed a 2.8/2.7 inch pulley but even then with plans for much more than an m62 I doubt the setup will be able to handle it.

I'm still looking for an effective aftermarket air to water setup that will be flexible enough to handle any SC I want to throw at it but maybe it's time to rethink the lsj with an SC or try an air to air again...

I would be interested in just the manifold and without the coating so I could powdercoat it myself to match my other parts. Although an air to air isn't what I was hoping for on my own setup, I think it has possibilities and maybe it's time to go a different route with my LSJ?...

I'm curious, what size piping is being used to feed the front mount?

Any idea when your air to air LSJ (Ecotec) setup will be available?

 

i believe its 2.25" or 2.5" i will have to double check on that, and a ecotec set up wont be available for a while, need a cobalt at the shop to work on, and almost every cobalt driver uses it as their DD...we do have a lsj intake manifold...so we can make one to make sure it al lines up right but w/out a car here we can make sure it will all fits correctly....

 

Understandable! I was wondering if you needed an LSJ stock manifold.

 

there's on at the shop that bolus sent us...but the actual car would be nice for making a full kit...

 

i got a redline and im close to the shop maybe i could help for the right price ha

 

yeah a redline will work for the manifold making process, ill contact vulcan directly about continue to look for a way to get water/air on the ecotec

 

if they can just hook me up with a single pass they can play with my car all they want ha

 

I predict good things.

 

I have to say I am alittle disappointed in this project. I was hoping for a water to air in the worst way. Now I'm trying to beat a dead horse here but what about garrett cores gets you guys off? I'm sure there's a core out there that'll work perfectly. I do have to say though, the thought of the air having more than just a foot to travel does excite me. If you could get a manifold that has that inlet and outlet on opposite sides and a water to air intercooler that'll sit somewhere around the oil filter/pump area I'd be very interested. If this is going to be strictly an air to air project though I'm making my own.

 

Water to air being pushed for by me.