if you want ot be sure your tank isnt dry get a float switch and wire it to an led, it will let you know when your almost out of meth. as far as a nozzle clogging, never heard of it but the guys on devils own recomend letting the nozzle soak in CLR for a while every 6 months to make sure they are clean.

as for meth, i buy 1 gallon jugs of methalhydrate (thats just another name for methanol, its 99% pure) for $6 at the local part store. methalhydrate is commonly put in fuel tanks to absorb and remove moisture, so your parts guy shouldnt look at you stupid when you ask for it.

 

i would do spacer also...hence why i bought one. But i fucked up so i just tapped the intake....looks cleaner if u do the spacer. Also make sure u have a checkvalve or silinoid or whatever its called so the meth/water flows the correct way and does come back

 

yeah i heard about the check valve..now if that were to fail.. is there any chance of backfire? or anything like that to damage the engine?

 

i was running low on a road trip and stopped at a gas station to see if they had any...told the guy i wanted meth. He asked why and i said "for my meth kit in the trunk of my car" he freaked out and thought i had a crystal meth lab...lol

 

CLR? im not familiar with that.. well i might be but i dunno what that stands for

haha thats great

besides...with meth.. i can shoot some fireballs out the pipe cant go wrong there

 

haha thats great, yeah my family freaks when i tell them i have a meth kit in my car. but for some reason my cousins always wants to be my best friend when i tell him i just got my meth refilled.

 

so what is the CLR that was mentioned before to soak the nozzle in? just a cleaner?

 

yeah just cleaner. you can buy it at places like walmart.

 

k cool..welp.. my opinion on this **** has literally flipped 180 degrees in roughly..24 hours lol

 

its a hard build-up remover. mostly used with heavily rusted parts and bathroom tiles

 

does the devils own base kit from OTTP come with the pump that has a controller to control the spray with psi? or do i need to get the progressive kit for that??

 

check valve. its the long brass piece farthest in.

spacer.

 

thats a nice setup man..real clean... is it hard to install??

it doesnt look like its a real tough install..but looks can be deceiving..

 

it wasn't too bad. lots of little things

 

In order to have a controller you need to get the progressive kit from devils own. However there really aren't very many, if any, benefits to getting the progressive kit. Even Sean and Josh at ottp will tell you that the standard kit is the way to go. The ONLY benefit I see of the progressive kit is that I can "tweak" and change what psi I want to start and full spray at on the fly extremely easily. Also lets say your sitting in traffic and your iat2's climb really high, then traffic starts moving and you wanna get on it a bit to get your temps down, set the start spray and full spray all the way down extremely low do a quick 2-3 second wot in 1st or 2nd gear and your spraying a bunch of meth at like 5psi boost. It's kinda worthless but it will help bring your iat2's down as your accelerating. I like the progressive kit because I am trying to make my interior look like a cockpit lol, I seriously have SO many little things that its crazy.

Anyways, as far as if meth fails and all of that the main thing you need to look at is your nozzle. Check your nozzle every oil change and you will be fine. It's a quick and easy thing to check and make sure it doesn't looked clog. Also feel free to run the line and nozzle outside of your hood and have a friend rev the car into boost to make sure its spraying correctly. It should be a real fine MIST not a stream of any sort. If it's not a MIST then you have an issue and need to clean the nozzle/buy a new one. Nozzles are only 20 bucks so its not a big deal changing it out once a year if need be.

The main thing you need to remember is that you gain power from increasing the timing and the lower iat2's. The lower iat2's don't really add much power, but they are much better for your car. The methanol is what allows you to run a lot of timing. Most cars can't run much over 18-20 degrees of timing without methanol injection, most cars with methanol injection don't have a problem running 24-25 degrees of timing. So if you don't have the ability to tune yourself or know someone who can, meth isn't really going to help you.

Meth mixtures are debatable. As far as a meth backfire, it can happen with any mixture of meth OVER a 49meth/51water mixture. When there is MORE meth than water it becomes flammable and CAN cause a backfire. However methanol backfires are extremely rare and don't happen often. In all honesty I have only read one case on this forum and I am still not sure that it wasn't a nitrous backfire . Personally though I will run a 90/10 mixture any day. The more meth you add the more timing you can run safely and the less you need to worry about knock. However I kind of think there becomes a point where its stupid to keep upping your meth mixture. For example if you can run 25 degrees of timing on a 50/50 mix, there really is no point of running a 90/10 mixture unless you just wanna be extremely rich and have to re-tune your afr lol.

Anyways all in all the things to remember are to check your tank and make sure it has meth/distilled water in it, whenever your "working" on your car like changing the oil simply check the nozzle to see if its clogged, and make sure you increase your timing with methanol injection otherwise you will NOT see a power gain.

 

this thread is the first ive heard of not running more than 25* of timing. is it true?
im no tuner but it seems strange.

 

The lsj motor really doesn't make much power after 25 degrees of timing, theres really not much of a point to running more then 25 degrees.

 

from what i was told. the lsj doesnt make alot of power past 25*...it does make some but the ratio of power to damage changes. For example. Say you are tuning your car and u r around 20* of timing. (this is just a example, may not actually happen) you will get 2* of timing to 1 risk of damage. Now past 25* u get 1* of timing to 2 risks of damage....its really hard to explain on the computer but the theroy is still there. Once i get my exhaust welded up and everything good to go im getting my tune adjusted abit...going to go to as much timing as i can until i hit knock, then back it down 2 or 3*

 

good info on everything zach.. thanx man.. ima go with the base kit.. i talked to josh so im gonna go ahead and get it in the upcoming days..thanx for the tips on when or how to check the nozzle for flaws with the mist example..btw snakes..everytime i have a problem and i start a thread.. ur the first one in to help lol im just gonna start pming u everytime i have a problem lol i appreciate it.. ill make sure to take some pics when i install it..make sure everythings right

also i wondered..is the water and meth mix corrosive to the block at all? with water being inside the motor wont it be corrosive in the long run?

 

the only reason i ask is i think my car ran timing way above that on its own... not sure i didnt tune it but im pretty sure it kept rising on its own

 

ive heard the same stories of the lsj disliking timing above 25ish.. which is a lot anyways..i think stock its 18 to 20 rumor has it..dont quote me on that though lol my main concern now is if it is corrosive to the block..if not im pretty sold on doin this

i actually just found a pretty good link about if its corrosive or not.. http://www.alcohol-injection.com/for...myth-1325.html

 

Water is corrosive, DISTILLED water is not. You want to always used distilled water, you can find this at walmart or wherever, its like 89cents a gallon.

 

uhm no, we aren't stock with 20*btdc hahah

 

I have no life...im always on the forums...lol. I like to help people out with what i know...and also learn new things on what i dont know. So thats why im always posting. I just read 383_strokers post on what happend to his m62 with meth. I never had anything like that happen to me when i took my m62 off...then again i was spraying meth for that long. I wonder if its possible to get my car up to 30* of timing...everyone is saying lsj's dont like to make power past 25*....but seeing as im at 24*.....IAT2 r low, no knock at all i want to push the limits..lol

 

I'm Famous!.. lol

As far as timing above 25*.. One of the indy cobalts on here works at a dyno shop and i believe he told me he only gained 4hp from taking the timing up from 25* to 29*..I had the conersation via text message though.. so.. who know's how accurate my recolection of the conversation is