Here is my email correspondents attempting to get HPT to help us out. Apparently, they don't have time for us.



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Details: I currently have a Saturn Ion Redline and HPT. Support is VERY limited for our PCM. There has been much talk to switching to the e67 PCM to give us full support in CobaltSS.net but there is a few issues:
1. wiring is different so it requires a rewire. No problem.
2. you can't use the same cam position sensor. You have to use another one. No problem.
3. the reluctor wheel is clocked differently. There are 2 possible solutions.
one is the have a reluctor wheel made and swapped out that is compatible with the 2.4L E67 and run it that way.
Second is to run the 2.4L crank which isn't nearly as strong as the 2.0L Third is to have the ecm reprogrammed with the appropriate changes to know the difference.

Is there some way we can have an option added to HPT to allow us to change the crank trigger degree on the e67 PCM so we can have full support??

Please help the Cobalt/Ion community with this limitation! Please let me know if I can help! Below is a link to CSS.net that helps explain what I am talking about. Thanks!


More information:

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l...s-easy-304426/


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William Henn (bill@hptuners.com)
To: slitterell
bill@hptuners.com
Last I checked we had no plans to add anything like this to our software.

Thanks,
William Henn
HP Tuners LLC.
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To: William Henn

How do get hpt interested? Do I need a petition or something?
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To:slitterell
We have no interest

 

lol.... they only care about V8's and making money.
none of the above is in the asked questions to them, so no interest.

 

lmao!

 

Yeah, I kind of got that but any support they add to e67 would help v8s as well. A lot of v8s run e67 ecm from factory.

 

it kinda pisses me off, because everyone on here slings the nuts of hpt, and they could care less about us. i guess thats what happens when there isnt much competition. before you say efi live, go download it and download an lsj file. id be suprised if you could even tune for an injector swap with efi on the lsj

 

if everyone would go here TunerCat and email them and show some interest in them getting the p12 completely unlock they may do it

here are my emails to them

OK, we'll add it to our To-Do list. What model years are you most interested in?



Best regards,

TC


-----Original Message-----
From: j.walters@zoominternet.net [mailto:j.walters@zoominternet.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:05 PM
To: tc@tunercat.com
Subject: RE: cobalt ss/sc p12 pcm support


well some of us are at the point of needing more tuning options and tables I think you could score rather well if you opened up the pcm for us

----- Original Message -----
From: TC <tc@tunercat.com>
To: j walters <j.walters@zoominternet.net>
Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 13:00:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: cobalt ss/sc p12 pcm support



We haven't had much
call for support for these cars and the P12 ECM was only used for a couple of
years in a relatively small number of vehicles.



Best regards,

TC
-----Original Message-----
From:
j.walters@zoominternet.net [mailto:j.walters@zoominternet.net]
Sent:
Monday, April 28, 2014 9:31 AM
To:
tc@tunercat.com
Subject: RE: cobalt ss/sc p12 pcm
support


how come

----- Original Message
-----
From: TC <tc@tunercat.com>
To: j walters
<j.walters@zoominternet.net>
Sent: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 09:10:49 -0400
(EDT)
Subject: RE: cobalt ss/sc p12 pcm support



Thank you for your
e-mail. No, sorry we don't have any immediate
plans to support these
cars.



Best regards,

TC
-----Original
Message-----
From:
j.walters@zoominternet.net
[mailto:j.walters@zoominternet.net]
Sent:
Friday,
April 25, 2014 5:34 PM
To:
tc@tunercat.com
Subject: cobalt ss/sc p12 pcm

support



are you all going to be releasing any
support
for the cobalt ss/sc

I emailed them last year and they were supposedly working on it then and stopped due to lack of interest if we want a better tuning solution we all need to be proactive and stay in contact with them constantly so it gets done faster I told them 04 to 07 lsj

 

Lol @ the email just saying "how come"

Proper english is going the way of the Dodo bird.

I still love you John

 

lol well what more was there to say but all joking aside we have a chance here to have a better tuning solution so lets get it done

 

That tuner cat site is interesting, but to get full support of multiple vehicles it would get expensive quickly. I only see that being useful for end-user type tuning, I would still save my HPT for tuning other peoples cars unless I really needed access to something strange.

 

all i care about is for the lsj **** on the rest

 

Yeah but I tune other platforms....

 

use hpt lol

 

This lol

 

I sent them a nice e-mail anyway. I would get that software if it would help me build my monster when the time comes. I'm sure the full access would help with setting up cam tuning and such. Also for heavy E85 use there should be some tricks in there that will be helpful.

 

You thinking a competition sensor for the fuel?

 

I would rather get support to swap to e67. Though, initially, it would be harder to swap to, there would be more support for it because v8s use it

 

who gives a flying **** about the e67 hpt does not and they don't don't give 2 ***** about the p12 either they made their cash cow from it and said **** you ecotec people this all you get now **** off. at least this way we can have full access to our pcm if we show enough support to tuner cat

 

That's composition and no, i'll run full E. The P12 doesn't have flex fuel support IIRC.

 

composition yes lol. Autocorrect.

not factory. p12 was used in very few vehicles. Mainly in LSJ. None of which had flexfuel support. IIRC '06 Malibu 2.2 used P12 and LSJ. That's it.

E67 has been fully unlocked because many v8's use it.

Flexfuel was available in e67 You need a sensor on some. After '05, it doesn't use sensors and does something fancy in the ecu (I assume with the FT's) and makes adjustments.

 

emailed them

 

So you're saying all I have to do is unlock the flex fuel table and pump flex fuel in and that's all to my 07 G5? I thought I also needed a censor as well.

 

You will have to read and find out if your car is part of the updated pcm's or requires the sensor. I was specifically talking about v-8's.


Here is a link to what I am referring to:
Could use some help(commanded afr, maf tuning)

 

Even on the Sonic, if you want to have flex-fuel abilities you can wire in the sensor and turn it on via Trifecta and have it.

I don't care for the 'auto learning' systems that use fuel trims to assume alcohol percentage, if you can't use the sensor I wouldn't play with flex fuel. Ford uses the system with no sensor and they give problems, get stuck and run rich, all kinds of weird issues. There's a reason people use the GM alcohol sensors on all types of cars to enable flex-fuel, it works.

 

I agree with you. No response from tc

 

I got the same response from the guys at HPT.

Looks like someone here may have had luck with TunerPro?

2007 TunerPro Bin Files