long tube header
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well i heard a bunch of guys get their tune and everything and they still pass emissions without it. so what do i need to do when i go to take emissions put mine back in? if so thats gay
just blew up my flex pipe, AGAIN, yay. knew i shoulda got a header/dp last time when i spent $90 shipped for a used stock dp, grrr....
so i go here to do header/dp research, find this thread, and thoroughly lmao... we went from personal preferences, to flaming, to bashing, to vendor bashing, to vendors defending themselves! finish it off on a calmer note, but the bashing continues... not on products or vendors, but on mother-in-laws!
anywho, i'm getting the ********* header. it makes ******* more hp than the ******** one, and approximately x5 the torque. it's made from the bastard lovechild of titanium and stainless steel, it's lighter than air, and 99% of profits go to feed the hungry in 3rd world nations. ******* FTW!
so i go here to do header/dp research, find this thread, and thoroughly lmao... we went from personal preferences, to flaming, to bashing, to vendor bashing, to vendors defending themselves! finish it off on a calmer note, but the bashing continues... not on products or vendors, but on mother-in-laws!
anywho, i'm getting the ********* header. it makes ******* more hp than the ******** one, and approximately x5 the torque. it's made from the bastard lovechild of titanium and stainless steel, it's lighter than air, and 99% of profits go to feed the hungry in 3rd world nations. ******* FTW!
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just blew up my flex pipe, AGAIN, yay. knew i shoulda got a header/dp last time when i spent $90 shipped for a used stock dp, grrr....
so i go here to do header/dp research, find this thread, and thoroughly lmao... we went from personal preferences, to flaming, to bashing, to vendor bashing, to vendors defending themselves! finish it off on a calmer note, but the bashing continues... not on products or vendors, but on mother-in-laws!
anywho, i'm getting the ********* header. it makes ******* more hp than the ******** one, and approximately x5 the torque. it's made from the bastard lovechild of titanium and stainless steel, it's lighter than air, and 99% of profits go to feed the hungry in 3rd world nations. ******* FTW!
so i go here to do header/dp research, find this thread, and thoroughly lmao... we went from personal preferences, to flaming, to bashing, to vendor bashing, to vendors defending themselves! finish it off on a calmer note, but the bashing continues... not on products or vendors, but on mother-in-laws!
anywho, i'm getting the ********* header. it makes ******* more hp than the ******** one, and approximately x5 the torque. it's made from the bastard lovechild of titanium and stainless steel, it's lighter than air, and 99% of profits go to feed the hungry in 3rd world nations. ******* FTW!
quit sucking OTTPs.
the more mods an engine has the more power it makes. bolting a header onto a stock engine may yield something like 8-10 whp where as u put one on a built car with more boost and i dont doubt u will see gains of over 25-30 whp. hell u can pick up 15-20whp on a built N/A setup with a good long tube over a janky ebay header or something. it sounds to me as though all of u guys are either zzp or ottp nut swingers and are not open to anybody else.
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Originally Posted by OMFG Witty friendly banter between OTTP&ZZP
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if you dont have a visual or a sniffer, its very very likely. If you dont have a visual, but have a sniffer, then its harder, but an "emissions only" tune can do it, especially if there arent a lot of other mods that affect HC burn efficiency. If you have a visual test...no[/QUOTE]
well last time i went to emissions they didnt do a visual test they just plugged up and i was done. and what the hell is a visual or a sniffer lol
well last time i went to emissions they didnt do a visual test they just plugged up and i was done. and what the hell is a visual or a sniffer lol
a sniffer is when they put the exhaust probe in your tailpipe and actually measure what emissions are coming out.
If they just plugged in then it sounds like you just have to pass the OBD2 test, which will be easily done if you have a tune.
In terms of the headers, I think it's personal preference. I don't think people would be unhappy with the actual product of ZZP or OTT on these long tubes.
The difference between companies is vast though and that's why you see people moving to ZZP. We only enter markets we can dominate. We don't do Honda or Mustang because they are too large. We don't do Pinto because it's too small.
What we do, we're good at and when you order from ZZP as opposed to another company, we're going to ship your parts faster, handle your warranty claims better, and release more products than anyone else. You'll never hear that we were sleeping or on vacation or had a family emergency and eventually customers grow tired of having issues like that. People want a good part, good service and fast. We deliver. We don't tell you it shipped but refuse to give you a tracking #. We don't charge you a restocking fee on items we never shipped, we don't tell you that you can't cancel your order when it hasn't shipped, we don't take your money and wait 2-3 months to ship you anything. We won't lose or damage something in shipping and tell you 'too bad, UPS won't pay for it'. These are things smaller companies are doing to survive because their margins are low. You can read about it dozens of times in the vendor forums and I get emailed about it all the time. Eventually people get sick of it and move on. This isn't our first rodeo so we have very detail analysis of what's going on in a market and how to provide customers what they want to take it over. To the other vendors, did you see our BF sales? 1/2 off? this should give you an idea of the margins we work on. This allows us to price things wherever we need to be to best our competition and we can afford to give serious customer service. Whether that means next day air for a problem, building something custom or paying for a new engine because our tech screwed up. We can afford to take care of you which is why you can trust your money with our company.
Many of you are first time modders, you'd do well to check out other markets and see how many people are left standing after a few years. What's your product worth then the company who backed it is gone? What are the odds that a one man show will be around, never get sick, never have a divorce, etc...
The difference between companies is vast though and that's why you see people moving to ZZP. We only enter markets we can dominate. We don't do Honda or Mustang because they are too large. We don't do Pinto because it's too small.
What we do, we're good at and when you order from ZZP as opposed to another company, we're going to ship your parts faster, handle your warranty claims better, and release more products than anyone else. You'll never hear that we were sleeping or on vacation or had a family emergency and eventually customers grow tired of having issues like that. People want a good part, good service and fast. We deliver. We don't tell you it shipped but refuse to give you a tracking #. We don't charge you a restocking fee on items we never shipped, we don't tell you that you can't cancel your order when it hasn't shipped, we don't take your money and wait 2-3 months to ship you anything. We won't lose or damage something in shipping and tell you 'too bad, UPS won't pay for it'. These are things smaller companies are doing to survive because their margins are low. You can read about it dozens of times in the vendor forums and I get emailed about it all the time. Eventually people get sick of it and move on. This isn't our first rodeo so we have very detail analysis of what's going on in a market and how to provide customers what they want to take it over. To the other vendors, did you see our BF sales? 1/2 off? this should give you an idea of the margins we work on. This allows us to price things wherever we need to be to best our competition and we can afford to give serious customer service. Whether that means next day air for a problem, building something custom or paying for a new engine because our tech screwed up. We can afford to take care of you which is why you can trust your money with our company.
Many of you are first time modders, you'd do well to check out other markets and see how many people are left standing after a few years. What's your product worth then the company who backed it is gone? What are the odds that a one man show will be around, never get sick, never have a divorce, etc...
I'll take a Single Pass IM for $200!
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In terms of the headers, I think it's personal preference. I don't think people would be unhappy with the actual product of ZZP or OTT on these long tubes.
The difference between companies is vast though and that's why you see people moving to ZZP. We only enter markets we can dominate. We don't do Honda or Mustang because they are too large. We don't do Pinto because it's too small.
What we do, we're good at and when you order from ZZP as opposed to another company, we're going to ship your parts faster, handle your warranty claims better, and release more products than anyone else. You'll never hear that we were sleeping or on vacation or had a family emergency and eventually customers grow tired of having issues like that. People want a good part, good service and fast. We deliver. We don't tell you it shipped but refuse to give you a tracking #. We don't charge you a restocking fee on items we never shipped, we don't tell you that you can't cancel your order when it hasn't shipped, we don't take your money and wait 2-3 months to ship you anything. We won't lose or damage something in shipping and tell you 'too bad, UPS won't pay for it'. These are things smaller companies are doing to survive because their margins are low. You can read about it dozens of times in the vendor forums and I get emailed about it all the time. Eventually people get sick of it and move on. This isn't our first rodeo so we have very detail analysis of what's going on in a market and how to provide customers what they want to take it over. To the other vendors, did you see our BF sales? 1/2 off? this should give you an idea of the margins we work on. This allows us to price things wherever we need to be to best our competition and we can afford to give serious customer service. Whether that means next day air for a problem, building something custom or paying for a new engine because our tech screwed up. We can afford to take care of you which is why you can trust your money with our company.
Many of you are first time modders, you'd do well to check out other markets and see how many people are left standing after a few years. What's your product worth then the company who backed it is gone? What are the odds that a one man show will be around, never get sick, never have a divorce, etc...
The difference between companies is vast though and that's why you see people moving to ZZP. We only enter markets we can dominate. We don't do Honda or Mustang because they are too large. We don't do Pinto because it's too small.
What we do, we're good at and when you order from ZZP as opposed to another company, we're going to ship your parts faster, handle your warranty claims better, and release more products than anyone else. You'll never hear that we were sleeping or on vacation or had a family emergency and eventually customers grow tired of having issues like that. People want a good part, good service and fast. We deliver. We don't tell you it shipped but refuse to give you a tracking #. We don't charge you a restocking fee on items we never shipped, we don't tell you that you can't cancel your order when it hasn't shipped, we don't take your money and wait 2-3 months to ship you anything. We won't lose or damage something in shipping and tell you 'too bad, UPS won't pay for it'. These are things smaller companies are doing to survive because their margins are low. You can read about it dozens of times in the vendor forums and I get emailed about it all the time. Eventually people get sick of it and move on. This isn't our first rodeo so we have very detail analysis of what's going on in a market and how to provide customers what they want to take it over. To the other vendors, did you see our BF sales? 1/2 off? this should give you an idea of the margins we work on. This allows us to price things wherever we need to be to best our competition and we can afford to give serious customer service. Whether that means next day air for a problem, building something custom or paying for a new engine because our tech screwed up. We can afford to take care of you which is why you can trust your money with our company.
Many of you are first time modders, you'd do well to check out other markets and see how many people are left standing after a few years. What's your product worth then the company who backed it is gone? What are the odds that a one man show will be around, never get sick, never have a divorce, etc...
Keith pressure testing S3 HE's built in house, Tim welding something, Brandon welding something. Just ran back, shot a vid, ran to the puter. Little crude but you get the idea. We're making **** all day long.
That is very true. to bad you guys shipped me a bad injector yes it was used.... but the condition it was in was bad and i thought you guys tested and looked at all part be4 you shipped it out but thats a dam lie... due to the fact that you guy say your a great company i thought i could trust you and install it anyways since i would think a trustful company like you guys say you are would ship out a part like that... long story short the injector caused me to create a lean condition and blow a hole in the piston. i call you guy and ask if you could replace the one injector that cause the problem. didnt even mention anything about help replace motor cause i knew it was my fault for putting it in. yet i was told i would have to buy another one even tho i had pic of the injector be4 it was even installed... so zzp you arent the company you say you are!
That is very true. to bad you guys shipped me a bad injector yes it was used.... but the condition it was in was bad and i thought you guys tested and looked at all part be4 you shipped it out but thats a dam lie... due to the fact that you guy say your a great company i thought i could trust you and install it anyways since i would think a trustful company like you guys say you are would ship out a part like that... long story short the injector caused me to create a lean condition and blow a hole in the piston. i call you guy and ask if you could replace the one injector that cause the problem. didnt even mention anything about help replace motor cause i knew it was my fault for putting it in. yet i was told i would have to buy another one even tho i had pic of the injector be4 it was even installed... so zzp you arent the company you say you are!
http://www.zzperformance.com/miscftp/M4H03524.avi
Keith pressure testing S3 HE's built in house, Tim welding something, Brandon welding something. Just ran back, shot a vid, ran to the puter. Little crude but you get the idea. We're making **** all day long.
You bought used injectors from us, admitted that you thought it looked bad but used it anyway. Gave false information on how much you drove your car and then speculated that the injector caused you damage. So for future reference. If you buy used parts and look at them and know they don't look right, test them yourself before beating on your car. If you can't do that, buy new.
Keith pressure testing S3 HE's built in house, Tim welding something, Brandon welding something. Just ran back, shot a vid, ran to the puter. Little crude but you get the idea. We're making **** all day long.
You bought used injectors from us, admitted that you thought it looked bad but used it anyway. Gave false information on how much you drove your car and then speculated that the injector caused you damage. So for future reference. If you buy used parts and look at them and know they don't look right, test them yourself before beating on your car. If you can't do that, buy new.
he could be making **** in the back of an ice cream shop.... who gives a ****... if its a good quality product it does not matter where it is made. quality can be made at any given place.
this is why zzpzoomer is a ****** and NOT PROFESSIONAL.
you are here on this forum to represent your company PROFESSIONALLY, not put down others. Sure you can give professional criticism but to post immature things like that is totally not needed and shows your businessman/professionalism skills are lacking /rant
