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the gains from the intake are without tune. all cooling mods do is help you recover from heat soak faster and take longer to get to that point. a single 4th gear dyno pull doesnt give a crap what kind of cooling mods you have. im amazed that you think a zzp long tube header, full exhaust, 3" cai and tuning wont give you 50 whp the dyno page on this forum is filled with people who had exactly those gains. the lnf guys even more. furthermore, the debate about gms unlimited resources for research is stupid. its clear people who think that have no grasp of how that sort of thing works. the engineers did not sit down with flow models trying to build the best ***** to the wall heat extraction system they could. a couple jerks had a task of make a system that meets the minimum requirements of the system. same as the guys that made the m62. if you want an example of guys whos job was to make the best, look at the harrop guys that made the tvs. they looked at the space that was available and made the most of it, thats why you cant just whip out a dremel and improve the TVS. they made it as well as it can be made. euthanasia can sit down and in a hour with a couple tools improve the m62 to make additional power. heres a clue, he does not hold a doctorate in thermodynamics. the flaws in the m62 are so god damn obvious that literally anyone in the field can pick one up and see where you can make improvements. i just wish harrop had been paid to do a LIM from the ground up for us. as it is the best we can do is have the best cobalt port and polish guy On The Planet port and convert our LIMs. be greatful he does it and isnt a jerk about it.
Last edited by zfissette; Jun 11, 2012 at 09:54 AM. Reason: added info
the gains from the intake are without tune. all cooling mods do is help you recover from heat soak faster and take longer to get to that point. a single 4th gear dyno pull doesnt give a crap what kind of cooling mods you have. im amazed that you think a zzp long tube header, full exhaust, 3" cai and tuning wont give you 50 whp the dyno page on this forum is filled with people who had exactly those gains. the lnf guys even more. furthermore, the debate about gms unlimited resources for research is stupid. its clear people who think that have no grasp of how that sort of thing works. the engineers did not sit down with flow models trying to build the best ***** to the wall heat extraction system they could. a couple jerks had a task of make a system that meets the minimum requirements of the system. same as the guys that made the m62. if you want an example of guys whos job was to make the best, look at the harrop guys that made the tvs. they looked at the space that was available and made the most of it, thats why you cant just whip out a dremel and improve the TVS. they made it as well as it can be made. euthanasia can sit down and in a hour with a couple tools improve the m62 to make additional power. heres a clue, he does not hold a doctorate in thermodynamics. the flaws in the m62 are so god damn obvious that literally anyone in the field can pick one up and see where you can make improvements. i just wish harrop had been paid to do a LIM from the ground up for us. as it is the best we can do is have the best cobalt port and polish guy On The Planet port and convert our LIMs. be greatful he does it and isnt a jerk about it.
I don't know why you guys find his ZZP LT w/ cat delete, cold air and re tune picking up 50whp on a TVS far fetched?
To rid of the restrictive stock exhaust on a TVS setup is a massive gain. Coupled with a tune and cold air intake, what's so far fetched?
On methanol and full bolt ons using a TVS @ 25 psi. I can easily make up the difference of 30whp going from 16* making 302whp and 24.5* making 334whp. That's doing nothing more than adding and subtracting timing in the tune.
To rid of the restrictive stock exhaust on a TVS setup is a massive gain. Coupled with a tune and cold air intake, what's so far fetched?
On methanol and full bolt ons using a TVS @ 25 psi. I can easily make up the difference of 30whp going from 16* making 302whp and 24.5* making 334whp. That's doing nothing more than adding and subtracting timing in the tune.
Last edited by 100% METH; Jun 11, 2012 at 07:05 PM.
the gains from the intake are without tune. all cooling mods do is help you recover from heat soak faster and take longer to get to that point. a single 4th gear dyno pull doesnt give a crap what kind of cooling mods you have. im amazed that you think a zzp long tube header, full exhaust, 3" cai and tuning wont give you 50 whp the dyno page on this forum is filled with people who had exactly those gains. the lnf guys even more. furthermore, the debate about gms unlimited resources for research is stupid. its clear people who think that have no grasp of how that sort of thing works. the engineers did not sit down with flow models trying to build the best ***** to the wall heat extraction system they could. a couple jerks had a task of make a system that meets the minimum requirements of the system. same as the guys that made the m62. if you want an example of guys whos job was to make the best, look at the harrop guys that made the tvs. they looked at the space that was available and made the most of it, thats why you cant just whip out a dremel and improve the TVS. they made it as well as it can be made. euthanasia can sit down and in a hour with a couple tools improve the m62 to make additional power. heres a clue, he does not hold a doctorate in thermodynamics. the flaws in the m62 are so god damn obvious that literally anyone in the field can pick one up and see where you can make improvements. i just wish harrop had been paid to do a LIM from the ground up for us. as it is the best we can do is have the best cobalt port and polish guy On The Planet port and convert our LIMs. be greatful he does it and isnt a jerk about it.
I don't know why you guys find his ZZP LT w/ cat delete, cold air and re tune picking up 50whp on a TVS far fetched?
To rid of the restrictive stock exhaust on a TVS setup is a massive gain. Coupled with a tune and cold air intake, what's so far fetched?
On methanol and full bolt ons using a TVS @ 25 psi. I can easily make up the difference of 30whp going from 16* making 302whp and 24.5* making 334whp. That's doing nothing more than adding and subtracting timing in the tune.
To rid of the restrictive stock exhaust on a TVS setup is a massive gain. Coupled with a tune and cold air intake, what's so far fetched?
On methanol and full bolt ons using a TVS @ 25 psi. I can easily make up the difference of 30whp going from 16* making 302whp and 24.5* making 334whp. That's doing nothing more than adding and subtracting timing in the tune.
lol
there is nothing slow about my 300 whp cobalt guy. will it be faster after the meth and smaller pulley, of course. zrated is running 12 seconds flat on a very similar setup to mine. a year ago i was at 200 whp, today 300, in a couple weeks, 330. in a year ill be challenging areas mark when i have cams and euthanasia port the **** out of the head.
With a tune on a tvs from stock exhaust I guess I can see those gains, maybe. The LNF guys see nice gains because the turbos love to breath. So 50whp on a turbo cobalt from just exhaust is very possible. So I take back the lol for the exhaust comment. But not for your idea in porting the IM. Either way when your done with this setup off yours, you will still be slow and have spent more money then me and not come close to my numbers, so your comment earlier about have to pay to get the power is bs.
but ill jus sit back and continue to eat my popcorn
and on a side note i havent got to do the dyno tuning cus of money. been putting it towards other matters. and my aeroforce went out the other day. ive looked at the wiring many times it jus wires to the obd right? does that mean the gauge itself went out?
there is nothing slow about my 300 whp cobalt guy. will it be faster after the meth and smaller pulley, of course. zrated is running 12 seconds flat on a very similar setup to mine. a year ago i was at 200 whp, today 300, in a couple weeks, 330. in a year ill be challenging areas mark when i have cams and euthanasia port the **** out of the head.
And then what? Try and maybe break 400? You still arent getting close, guy, Lol. and yea he is running 12's not you. He also is a very good driver and has a lot of track time. What about you? What are you doing for your suspension, tires etc. you don't expect to run 12 flat with just the power do you?
Btw there is plenty slow about your 300whp cobalt
I've ran more
50/50 needs less jetting to prevent knock vs a mixture with a greater concentration of methanol.
You end up fighting cylinder pressure on 50/50 @ high PSI levels. Water doesn't burn, creating more pressure... so you up the methanol content, then you have to up the jetting...
Now your accounting for even more fuel being displaced. But it is, what it is... if you want to achieve e-85 capabilities, this is what must be done using water injection.
50/50 needs less jetting to prevent knock vs a mixture with a greater concentration of methanol.
You end up fighting cylinder pressure on 50/50 @ high PSI levels. Water doesn't burn, creating more pressure... so you up the methanol content, then you have to up the jetting...
Now your accounting for even more fuel being displaced. But it is, what it is... if you want to achieve e-85 capabilities, this is what must be done using water injection.
I don't know why you guys find his ZZP LT w/ cat delete, cold air and re tune picking up 50whp on a TVS far fetched?
To rid of the restrictive stock exhaust on a TVS setup is a massive gain. Coupled with a tune and cold air intake, what's so far fetched?
On methanol and full bolt ons using a TVS @ 25 psi. I can easily make up the difference of 30whp going from 16* making 302whp and 24.5* making 334whp. That's doing nothing more than adding and subtracting timing in the tune.
To rid of the restrictive stock exhaust on a TVS setup is a massive gain. Coupled with a tune and cold air intake, what's so far fetched?
On methanol and full bolt ons using a TVS @ 25 psi. I can easily make up the difference of 30whp going from 16* making 302whp and 24.5* making 334whp. That's doing nothing more than adding and subtracting timing in the tune.
and there is plenty slow about 300hp hahahah, where is your dyno sheet zisfette since you're talking about proof proof proof. where's these before and after dynos of mods that you're claiming. "put up or shut up".
there is a ride along video in an article on car throttle.com of that pass though if you want some kind of proof. But I'm not sitting here saying I should run a 12 flat either comparing myself to people with similar setups. But I can promise you that I would put buses on you
Btw here's a link cause I don't want you to try and call BS.
Phantasm Street Wars, 7/17/11
Not really embarrassing when your just easing of the line and not even no lift shifting (didn't pay attention to my 60ft times? Lol plus traction is a bitch with street tires)if I were to launch it hard with even a 2.0 60ft that's easily in the 11's. I was just there to have fun, the tree and times were hardly even working that day anyways lol. And yea I have ran faster times then that when I was on my tvs with E-85. So what are your times? Your the one who is saying they should be able to run a 12 flat, not me lol. Bet you haven't even broke your car into the 12's huh? Still trying to get out of those 14 second passes? Lol pathetic.
Btw here's a link cause I don't want you to try and call BS.
Phantasm Street Wars, 7/17/11
Btw here's a link cause I don't want you to try and call BS.
Phantasm Street Wars, 7/17/11
times in my cobalt? im still getting her ready. water/meth goes in as soon as fred from smg gives me the green light to go down and get it done. fastest ive ever gone was 10.54 at 126 in my 70 chevelle. but we are talking about cobalts right? we are dick waving over the slowest way to get down the quarter mile, a FWD standard 4 banger right? yes ill beat your 13.2. no you cant run an 11, your car would vomit parts all over the track or just destroy the tires. if you could beat zrated you already would have done it. youve simply gone to far past the limits of the cars ability to put power to the ground. it sucks that you didnt realize that before you threw all that money in a toilet for the turbo set up but i understand. you only have so many brain cells to use.
times in my cobalt? im still getting her ready. water/meth goes in as soon as fred from smg gives me the green light to go down and get it done. fastest ive ever gone was 10.54 at 126 in my 70 chevelle. but we are talking about cobalts right? we are dick waving over the slowest way to get down the quarter mile, a FWD standard 4 banger right? yes ill beat your 13.2. no you cant run an 11, your car would vomit parts all over the track or just destroy the tires. if you could beat zrated you already would have done it. youve simply gone to far past the limits of the cars ability to put power to the ground. it sucks that you didnt realize that before you threw all that money in a toilet for the turbo set up but i understand. you only have so many brain cells to use.
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