SS/SC Going Goodbye!?!?!?!
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From: Alton IL
Originally Posted by West Palm SRT4
Oh, and the neon had a long run, the last gen neon was when they started to make the SRT-4, for only 3 years. Yes, it is only a Neon, and I won't start a flame war or I don't want to be the guy that kills the thread, but if a Neon is a car to be "ashamed" of or to be looked down on, then why in the hell did so many people buy them? Please don't use the excuse, "Becuse they wanted to go fast in a straight line.", because its nots the case. I believe DCX only planned on maing 5k of them in 03, but they sold out quick and people wanted more, before you know it, over the 3 year stretch, 25,000 were made, and I believe if you check autotrader with a national search, you'lkl see there are about 2 left that are brand new. With all due respect to the Cobalt and you guys (because i do love the Cobalt), why is it that hardly anyone drives Cobalt SS's? The cars cost the same, similar in peformance, and the Cobalt has a nice interior? So it seems like the Cobalt is a better deal, but then why did so many people get the SRT-4? I guess a "Neon" isn't that bad of a car to have then, huh?
Sorry for the rant guys, but I jut don't understand what makes a Cobalt, Lancer, or Impreza so much nicer then a Neon.
Sorry for the rant guys, but I jut don't understand what makes a Cobalt, Lancer, or Impreza so much nicer then a Neon.
The reason I brought this up was because someone said that gm could just drop the LSJ from production. Then someone else said, "Why not, Dodge did it with the SRT-4" Which is false. If the Neon was still around the SRT-4 would still be around. The two are completely unlike events.
And you cant compare SRT-4 sales with cobalt SS/SC sales. Because they only competed for 1 year. The 05 model year. At that time there was a long wait for cobalts, and very few produced.
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Originally Posted by SilverSS/SC
The Astra is going to be imported from Belgium . They have no plans to make it here .
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Originally Posted by Evilfrog
Yadda yadda yadda. I never said anything bad about the Neon. I just said the SRT-4 is a Neon. It's just that most SRT-4 owners will say. "It's not a Neon. It's an SRT-4" My point of the post is that dodge didnt cancel the SRT-4 for the hell of it. They did because the Neon one was being dropped from thier line up because it wouldnt meet newer safety standards.
The reason I brought this up was because someone said that gm could just drop the LSJ from production. Then someone else said, "Why not, Dodge did it with the SRT-4" Which is false. If the Neon was still around the SRT-4 would still be around. The two are completely unlike events.
And you cant compare SRT-4 sales with cobalt SS/SC sales. Because they only competed for 1 year. The 05 model year. At that time there was a long wait for cobalts, and very few produced.
The reason I brought this up was because someone said that gm could just drop the LSJ from production. Then someone else said, "Why not, Dodge did it with the SRT-4" Which is false. If the Neon was still around the SRT-4 would still be around. The two are completely unlike events.
And you cant compare SRT-4 sales with cobalt SS/SC sales. Because they only competed for 1 year. The 05 model year. At that time there was a long wait for cobalts, and very few produced.
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From: Raceland, LA
Originally Posted by SilverSS/SC
Its not AWD ....just a front driver 
DCX claimed a capable AWD to handle the HP/TQ was way out of budget .
DCX claimed a capable AWD to handle the HP/TQ was way out of budget .
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From: Raceland, LA
Originally Posted by NJHK
Your turbocharged ignorance is just that, ignorance. Know what you're talking about before you open your mouth. 
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Originally Posted by West Palm SRT4
Actually, you can compare them. Hell, the Cobalt should have a sales advantage being that more and more masses of people are getting sport compacts. Yet the total sales of Cobalts through the years that they have been produced just surpassed the amount of 2003 SRT-4's sold. My point being that the "Neon" can't that bad. No, you didn't directly insult the Neon, but indirectly, sure. The manner in which it was said, "After all, it still is a Neon."
No soild numbers on the 06/07 Cobalt SSs. But Chevy's goal was to produce 5,000 SS/SC.
The total number of cobalts in 06 was 260,748. So no. The 03 SRT-4 did not sell more than the total number of cobalts SS/SC.
And you are still missing the point. YOU CANT COMPARE DODGE STOPPING PRODUCTION THE NEON TO CHEVY DROPING THE 2.0L SUPERCHARGED ENGINE. BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT COMPARE DROPING A LINE OF CARS TO DROPING A TRIM LEVEL.
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Originally Posted by cds00bsmg
I know they are supposedly taking on the new ION design, which borrows many styling characteristics from the astra. Just google: Lordstown opel astra.....
The new Astra has nothing to do with being made in the USA . It is the actual euro spec Astra ( they do make L. hand drive versions already for the middle east ) , built at Opels plant in Belgium , and is being imported for Saturn .
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My theory
Good bet it will be (S/C 2.0) phased out mid way through the model year. The 08 Turbo (if its going down this way) might not be first thing in 08 but come several months in. Then--the 2.4L SS could be the ony one---for a short time.
Good bet it will be (S/C 2.0) phased out mid way through the model year. The 08 Turbo (if its going down this way) might not be first thing in 08 but come several months in. Then--the 2.4L SS could be the ony one---for a short time.
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when i was at the dealer geting a oil change they where telling me how how the G5 will have the 2.0T motor in it for the 2008 year so it can be up with the cobalt SS S/C. everyone keeps hereing difforent storys just going to have to wait and see what happend when the 08s get shown.
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Originally Posted by NJHK
Know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
I will say this much, in Hot Rod (magazine) (October 2006) they had a small article about GM testing a 2.0L Turbocharged HHR. At the end of the article, they speculated that the turbocarged platform may be produced for the Cobalt SS.
All-in-all, I will be the first to say that I don't know for sure what's going to happen this 2007 moddle year or in the 2008 model year or the next and so on. What I do know is that, when the time comes, we will all know what's going on. So be patiant, and wait.
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Originally Posted by omgshesaboy
does anyone else understand this?
I thought you were saying he didn't know anything about the 08 turbo cobalt or whatever....
Apparently he thought you were saying he didn't know jack **** about turbochargers. However, just because someone once owned a turbo car doesn't mean they know **** about them. I don't know many owners of turbo vehicels that even know what AR and trim is. Let alone how to read a compressor map. Thus, the popular consesnus that "TURBO BAD, TURBO HAS LAG, etc." or "OOOOH, SHINY SPINNING BLADES, MAKE CAR GO FAST, MUST BE GREASE MONKEY MAGIC"
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hahaha thats funny ^^^^ not i owned i own a 92 awd with a evo3 t/c swap upper intercooler piping front mount intercooler 550 injectors 190 walbro fuel pump all work i did myself i wasnt saying that the lag is soooo bad in the srt-4 just that the s/c is still spooling waaaay faster i didnt explain myself at first becuase he rubbed me the wrong way sorry for the confusion
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From: Calgary Alberta Canada
Originally Posted by supa_chgd_07
what does that even mean?
I beleive he is comparing the faster boost build up for the S/C VS the turbo. Which is onot very much difference at all these days. Turbo lag has been substaintly reduced form years ago.
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Originally Posted by avro206
I beleive he is comparing the faster boost build up for the S/C VS the turbo. Which is onot very much difference at all these days. Turbo lag has been substaintly reduced form years ago.
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You guys are all crazy. And anyway, a turbo is still a supercharger. Hell, I'd love to see what a electric driven roots or twinscrew would put out, if they could overcome the charging problem.
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