LS1's have hit 12.9 stock and have been known to trap around 105 stock.

 

Big difference in weight between the Camaro and a Corvette.

 

i love when people talk **** on 4 cl, 75% of people who say stuff on them, don't know crap about their car or any car, and see a higher number and assume it'll rape anything with a lower cylndr

 

I dont have a stage kit...I have a custom tune with my mods in my signature. Also you will lose. My friends c5 vette that i raced trapped 107 stock and it is an auto. With just a freakin catback and intake he is running 13 flat at almost 110 with 2.2 60's. LS1's are very powerful engines!!

 

The thing with vettes are how well they were taken care of. Allot of used vette have been ragged and not well maintained and not realized when purchased second hand. I have herd when purchasing second hand it could be the luck of the draw unless you can see all documents and it still can be iffy. I personally have never owned one so who knows.

 

I think depending on what speed the race goes to will determine how bad you will lose. I think from a dig the vette is going to win, from a roll you may get a jump and pull slightly but he will come back, and if you continue either race past about 85 it will give him an exponential advantage. They pull just as hard at 120 as they do at 60 so. Their aerodynamics are some of, if not the best in its class, they have 345 ponies with the torque to back it, and the beast of the LS1 engine which many others have stated. I come from the 3000GT platform and the VR-4's have tough times with vettes, C5 or Z06 and they've got the advantage of AWD. I highly doubt you will win, no disrespect to you or the platform, but I do think he will respect the 4-banger more as you will put up more of a fight compared to most other 4 cylinders.


Yes the automatic tranny shifts slightly faster than the 6-speed and is beneficial to the Camaro SS and the Vette.

(edit) And also, age means nothing by itself. As ^^ stated earlier those cars are normally always well taken care of, and I have seen PLENTY of 91 VR-4's that will blow the majority of cobalt owners in the water. Those are 15, going on 16 years old and there are TONS out there just like it.

 

Well for one, I know for a fact that alot of vettes and even vipers with messed around Km reading. I guy down here had a o1 viper GTS, my dad having one to knew him and talk often. He was talking about how he goes everywhere with his car and had about 20K in the first 3 years of ownership. He then traded his viper for a prowler, he said that the car had only 3Km. Where did the other 17km go? I then saw that particular car for sale in quebec for sale with 3500km on it. So someone somwhjere messed with the KM. The same goes for a few vettes to!!

 

Just throughing this out there, I ran against a cts cadi with an LS2. You would think he would kill me. We ran from a light and I had him off the line by about a car or so. But the thing your going to haave problems with, same as me, is when your hit about 60 or so, your weight doesnt matter anymore, its about horsepower. He pulled on me like no other. (Was also auto with no mods)

 

I here you!! But dont forget the LS2 has 400 HP. The LS1 i am reffering to only has 345 hp!! that would make a diff!! But i do understand your point!! I guess we;ll have to race and let u guys know!!

 

whens the race, I think you'll put up a good fight.

 

itll be close but the vette will lose, if its completely stock. from a dig he might get you but not from a roll. im postive.

 

Well, I did some research and still can't get an exact number for ya but...Dragtimes.com shows a 98 Conv. Vette, not stock from what I can tell, do the quarter in 13.6 at 104.7 and a 99 Vette Hardtop, also not stock from what I can tell, also pull a 13.6 but at 108.6...So..it's all going to come down to how both of ya'll can drive. Go for it, worst that will happen is that he'll beat ya. Maybe he'll give you props for keepin up as well as you will. I don't see him smoking you unless you f-up pretty good. Good luck an represent the Cobey well

 

Have you ever ran a 12.9? Someone elses driving skills, location, track conditions, don't have ANYTHING to do with what YOU can run...and I am willing to bet you are nowhere near a 12.9 @105 mph...sorry.

Even if you did...the cobalt would have to cut a 129 sec quartermile to be 10x's slower.

My point is...it is people that exaggerate that start the telephone game...have you driven both your cars at the track? Do you know for sure your camaro is faster? You have raced it? Or are you like most people going off of "feel"...or dizzy'd by numbers? What a car with a professional driver can cut in the magazines has nothing to do with what it cuts on the street with you in it and trust me from STILL owning both an SS LS1 and a 06 Cobalt SS/SC...they are not anywhere near the difference that you are saying they are.

 

Moot point because my car isnt an Ls1. I have had both of my cars at the track. The cobalt runs 14.6@98 mph and the camaro ran 14.2@97 mph stock. So if it the arguement was stock for stock against an LT1 vette I would say on the street the bolt would have a chance. For a dig. No.

I've also seen one of my members from my car club cut a 12.9 with his 2001 Trans Am. Most people run between 13.4 - 13.7 stock. Which is still better than most people run with stage 2.

But snice its a street race Quarter times dont matter as much as trap speed. The vette with trap at 105-108. The stage 2 bolt will trap at 102-4. (from most people on here). The Vette is also an auto. Which means he isnt going to miss shift.

I put money on the Vette. And even if the Vette does lose, the kid driving it is still going to get more ***** with the Vette. So he wins by default.

And I have ran sub 12.9. But it was in a 66 Caprice.

 

Well...it's easy to trap a higher speed when you car gets traction almost immediately...you can't use quartermile times to determine a race from a roll...not accurately anyways. just because a car traps 2 or 4 miles an hour higher in the quarter doesn't always facilitate a win on the street. You have to look at 60' times and trap speed...if you have the same 60' and your trap is higher than yes the car should be faster..but if you have a .3 sec better 60' and you are trapping 2 miles an hour faster...from a roll I would not give you the win...you have .3 seconds more to start building your trap speed. Compare you 60' times on you LT1 and your cobalt...I would be willing to bet you from a roll, your cobalt could take your LT1.

PS I thought you were the guy with the LS1..hence my reply...sorry man.

 

Only way to find out is to do it. And tape it lol.

I've personally my friend Josh's 98 C5 vert at HRP before he traded it in for an 03 Cobra and bone stock it ran a 13.3 @ 107xx. Didn't stall it or manually shift it, just left it drive and took off on the last yellow. 60ft was around a 2.1...Do not underestimate a properly taken care of C5...heck I've seen some C4's run pretty decent times at HRP.

But anyway, it's all speculation and guessing until you go out and do it.

Edit: Also do you know what gears are in his C5? If it's the stock 2.73's he is going to pulling hard once he gets up in his powerband from a roll.

 

When it all comes down to it......Evilfrog is right:

and they usually run about a 13.3 stock, im fairly confident, but again, what speed do you plan this race to go to? I seriously think this will be a HUGE factor.

 

this is funny...if you guys want a vette to "get vagina" let me know..I can pick you up a 98 or 99 for less than what a new SS/SC will cost you. Most vettes are so over rated it's sickning.

Anyone here ever actually ride in a C4? They are the slowest...piles of lumber wagon I have ever driven. Its like a log with wheels.

 

A 98 would be a C5. The C4s were just as slow as everything else in the 80s. The only one worth having would be the ZR-1.

It would have to be a vette with close to 80,000 miles on it for it to be around $20,000. Still douable.

 

Those caddy's also weigh 4000 lbs. But trap around 107 when driven by skilled people. SO it woudl be interesting to see how you'd do.

Tell that boy to STFU and run some granny in a Black 87 Regal. (Wonders how many will get that.)

I think it'll be a race of a few lengths. 4 tops if you both get on it and you don't botch any shifts. He's got at best 30 extra HP but you got weight on him. If your worried about extra weight both of you have passengers that are around the same weight running cameras.

And post it on somewhere that isn't Streetfire!

 

haha seriously, if I just wanted *****, maybe just maybe the vette "could" bring me more. But thats not what I am looking for, I have a GF and she loves my SS/SC.

I really do think that vette are overated because its, a corvette. I am very confident I can run with this guy, IMO I can take him from a roll till at least 100MPH. (but that remains to be seen). Even if we have a hard time to launch, doesnt mean from a roll we arent really fast. Hell Ive seen a viper being killed by an srt-4 on streetfire.com. So betting a vette i dont think is so unbeleivable. Especially the slowest of all C5's (auto, conv, and a wreck rebuilt that is being driven the **** out of right now)

 

why no streetfire?

 

Never said it wasn't.

 

Because streetfire sucks rancid donkey dick. Put it on youtube or Putfile. That way dialup users can DL the vid and aren't forced to stream it.

 

Sorry I should have said I've seen a couple of late model C4's run decent times at the track. I agree the TPI C4's in the 80's were horrendous. But The LT1/LT4 Vettes were pretty decent performers in their day. Also, the C4 generation also had the monstrous LT5 equipped ZR1.