Hrmmmm now u got me thinking..... How much was the puller tool? is it one of those tools I can rent for free from Murray's?

$638 for stage II plus reflash is looking pretty good compaired to $838

I'm assuming they just want 1 hour labor for reflash? or is it a set price of $100 to do the reflash?

 

It was one hour of labor for the reflash (only ~20 mins of actually working on the car) I sat with them the whole time,, so it's kinda BS,,, but the kits worthless without the flash, so eh.

The puller tool was about $100, if you don't plan on swapping hubs ever it might not be worth the purchase. I think Intense rents them, but I doubt Murrays or any other place would have one,, I dunno though, I can send ya pics of mine, and you can check Intense for pics of theirs,,, then ask, you might get lucky.

I bought it because I might eventually switch to a different modular system,,, and I'm a freak about owning tools and doing all of my own repairs. I don't trust mechanics after getting screwed over before.

The install isn't really technically challenging, just time consuming. And using the puller takes some muscle. But I'd rather do it the right way. The instructions tell the tech to use a press to pull the old pulley and press in the new hub. F that. I'm not cool with someone trying to use an arbor press on my M62.

 

So..... What would you want to help me install my kit if I decide to go that route?

$100 for reflash, $100 for tool = same place I was if I had dealer install it for $200.


I guess though even if I did rent the tool and did it myself, I'm only saving $100. If it takes me 3-4 hours (cause Im a noob when it comes to engines but not a total retard). Then $25/hr is what I'd be paying myself. Dunno if its worth it. /shrug Something to think about.


Can you send me a link or part number for that tool u bought? I'll check Murray's to see if they have em for rent.

 

Hrmmmm.... No How-To-Guides for installing a GM Stage II LOL

 

Like I said, that isn't a bad price from the dealership. Especially if you don't think you'll upgrade beyond the 2.8 pulley ever.

I did my own for personal reasons, and I bought the tool because I'll eventually want more power than the 2.8 And I love the look of the Billetflow pulleys in orange,, Oh so sexy.

As for the How-To. Use Denny's how to for pulley swap.. Basically the same exact procedure as the stage 2, minus the injectors. And the injectors were an easy job (<30mins)

If you're serious about needing help for the install, I work for beer and pizza, lol
For real though, let me know at least a week ahead of time, and you can come up to Lansing and I'll help ya. It'd hafta be on a weekend though,, as I have the M-F 9-5 gig.

 

The stage kit comes with step by step instructions with pictures. Doesn't help you now but it will when you go to install it.

 

Sounds good. Beer & Pizza was exactly what I had in mind If I cant find that tool for rent then i'll definately take you up on that offer. I'm looking to puchase the stage II in 1-2 weeks. Thinking about saving up just a little bit more cause I may get the GM exhaust kit as well and combine the shipping.

 

What is the name of the tool I'm going to need for the hub swap ?

 

You need a pulley puller for an Eaton blower. I really don't think you are going to find anywhere local to rent one since it's a pretty specialized tool that will pull the old pulley off and press the new one on.

 

^^What he said.

If you want me to help just let me know at least a week before you'd wanna come up.
You can PM me to get my cell # if you want.

Also for another option, if you didn't wanna drive up to Lansing and back I could just let you borrow my puller tool, for the price of shipping it back and forth of course.

Also in the meantime you should try and find a good dealership around your area to do your reflash. The first place I called said "We don't have the ability to do that reflash, in fact no GM dealership does" He said I'd hafta take it to some specialized shop in Jackson. I told him "That is a flat out lie, that I knew someone who had the flash done at your dealership, and I can gurantee you I wouldn't let you touch my car after such an ignorant statement anyways." click

Next dealership I called was like "yeah no problem, bring her in"

Now if you know a tech you may be able to bypass paying the hours labor for the reflash. But I got a good enough price on the kit that I didn't care,, I just wanted that new redline,, bad, lol.

 

"Reflash" Is that something the dealership has to do? Or can any Auto-One store or mechanics shop with those computer do it?

Unfortunately I don't know a GM tech. But I do have a friend thats a salesman for fords. /shrug

The drive to lansing wouldnt be a problem for me. It be nice to meet another member and party it up for a bit while talking car talk. (Tim Allen -Rarrr rarrrr rarrr)

 

Yeah you have to have the reflash done by a GM dealership. The reflash is where you get the new redline, and teach the computer how to handle the new injectors. You can drive on the kit without the reflash for a little bit, if need be. You'll just be dumping a lot of fuel with bigger injectors and stock flash.

Like I said, it's not too bad. Without the tool, you're looking at 6 for the kit, and 100 for the reflash labor. That's $200 less than what the dealership wanted to install yours.

The way I figured it that $200 bought me the puller tool, and the PB 2.8 pulley. Sure it took a few hours out of my life, but I enjoy working on cars anyways. And now if I ever want to switch to a different pulley system, I already have the tool.

But yeah, I'm always down for meeting new Cobalt owners.

 

Will it be ok to drive on it from Lansing to my area? (about 1 hour highway). Or was there a dealership around your area that I could get it done? Where did you get yours done?

 

I did mine on a Saturday, and drove it all weekend without problems,, but only city driving. And I went and got the flash first thing the Moday after.

I should think you'll be ok. But I'm not 100%. The stock computer shouldn't let you see anything over 12.5 psi, and the bigger injectors can't hurt anything but your gas budget. I'd imagine as long as you stay out of the boost as much as possible you should be alright.

Anyone else have an opinion on that?

You wouldn't be able to get it flashed around here anyways because GM's service dept. only works M-F 8-5ish. And I can only help you with the install on a weekend. And beer and pizza wouldn't cover me taking a day off work to help ya, lol

 

So my dealer wasn't bullshitin about needing a special puller

 

What about ALOT of BEER & PIZZA. LOL J/K Thats cool

 

I guess not

 

Well I don't feel so bad now, I waited for about 45 minutes this morning at my dealer to hear that they need a special puller to do the upgrade. I thought the tech just didn't want to mess with it. Glad I didn't get too pissed while I was there.

 

No they weren't.

The install manual w/ the kit tells the tech to use a press. If you know much about the internal workings of our M62 blowers or any eaton for that matter this thought should make you cringe. As using a press to pull the stock pulley and mount the new hub places a HUGE amount of axial stress on the couplers and linkages inside the snout of our blowers. I envision alot of people having trouble with this a year or so down the road. I'm still blown away that GM actually recommends the use of a press for this

The puller however, is designed to take that stress and the dynamic loads and place them where they belong, on the pulley/hub and the thread stock which the puller uses. This is a much better method. Your blower will thank you.

If you had a dealership do yours,, and they used a press I would keep an ear out for any unusual noise coming from the blower. A "ratcheting" noise is common to hear when these couplers start to give.

 

Well I guess they are going to use a puller b/c the service manager was suppose to order one. If they were going to use a press they had one right there in the shop. But thanks for the heads up.

 

After that note, I will definately be buying some Beer & Pizza in the near future. I'll let you know when.

 

can some1 post a pic of the puller?

 

^^ Just check out the ZZP, Pulley Boys or Intense websites,, Im sure they have pics of theirs

Or look in the How-To section for Denny's pulley removal/install thread clicky, lots of pics

I'm at work now, and don't have any pics of mine, sorry

 

Very ncie write up he has there. Alot more that I thought the pulley puller was going to look like.

SS33, You still are using the Stage II Pully right?

 

He is running the Pulley Boys 2.8" http://www.pulleyboys.com/lsj28.html