Timing?
08-02-2009, 12:49 PM
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Roughly right around 11.7 give or take. I find that is a good solid reliable afr. I have been tuning lsj's for awhile now and have learned a lot myself, I am here to spread the knowledge 
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08-02-2009, 02:39 PM
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08-02-2009, 03:27 PM
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Also running a 2.7 without any cooling mods isn't the best idea. I saw that you said you only hit 160 degree iat2's but I am sure that is with only one hard pull, if you do several back to back pulls they will sky rocket and you will be retarding timing. If you can post a log/scan because I would still put money on it that if you are running 22 degrees of timing on the bottom right hand side of the graph that you are knocking, especially with 91 octane. It's POSSIBLE that your not, but there should be a few cells getting knock. I have tuned a lot of cars and pushed a lot of cars very hard and 22 degrees was the most I was ever able to tune on a car without knock, but that was with some cells as low as 18 degrees.
Anyways, good luck with your car and keep an eye on those iat2's.
08-02-2009, 03:42 PM
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agreed....might start of 22* of timing but as the graph keeps going wont it pull timing? so at the start u will have 22* but near the end of the pull probably around 16*? plus knock
08-02-2009, 03:55 PM
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It really just depends on how the tune is set up. I would put money on it that hes knocking and or pulling timing from high iat2's. Most tunes start to pull timing when iat2's are that high. Plus I know hes knocking lol.
08-02-2009, 08:25 PM
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lmao, this thread is awesome.
a stage 2 map does run more than 15 degree's. hi. timing adders/multipliers. do some math.
low timing down low does NOT equal torque. complete opposite actually.
i have cranked 24 degree's into a lsj without meth with ease. just because you can't do it, does not mean it can't be done.
also. flashing peoples cars with maps built by other people does not make you a tuner.
a stage 2 map does run more than 15 degree's. hi. timing adders/multipliers. do some math.
low timing down low does NOT equal torque. complete opposite actually.
i have cranked 24 degree's into a lsj without meth with ease. just because you can't do it, does not mean it can't be done.
also. flashing peoples cars with maps built by other people does not make you a tuner.
08-02-2009, 10:07 PM
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A stage 2 tune CAN run more then 15 degrees of timing yes, but what I was trying to say is in the high octane table alone, the max timing in boost aka the bottom right side of the graph is 15 degrees. With adders and multipliers and all of that jazz it can be increased yes, but the actual high octane map is at 15 degrees and that was what I was trying to tell the op. As far as being able to run 24 degrees of timing on an lsj without meth, I am sure its POSSIBLE but I don't recommend it for the average person adding timing on there car. The MAJORITY of cars can't handle that amount of timing without meth, especially in all of the cells. As far as flashing cars with OTHER peoples tunes, that's a little bit off there Bryan, all of my tunes are done from scratch when I go out and tune a car, the only time I send someone a file that is already done is when I sell it and send it via email. Other then that I always tune every car straight from scratch, hence why it takes some time. No one has ever complained about my tunes and I always have satisfied customers, I may not be the most knowledgeable tuner, but I know enough to be able to make my customers happy and that's all I care about.
08-02-2009, 10:17 PM
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Nice, ya I wasn't saying a car couldn't do it without meth, I just personally don't recommend it. But then again if you aren't seeing knock then there is no harm. The op doesn't really sound like he knows what hes doing with timing and if he just randomly tosses in 22 degrees he WILL have knock, especially with adders.
PS: Your injectors are maxed =P
PS: Your injectors are maxed =P
08-02-2009, 10:21 PM
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ya lol i wouldn't reccommend it for everyone. I know i slammed off the limiter one time in first cause i always can never time that right and my car choked and cut out bc of the higher timing and rev limiter slam.
haha yeah it's just running too rich is all i'll fix that soon hopefully
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haha yeah it's just running too rich is all i'll fix that soon hopefully
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08-03-2009, 01:26 PM
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Stop the spread of misinformation. I haven't said anything til today, but you need to go back to the drawing board
Here here!! I <3 you Brian 
lmao, this thread is awesome.
a stage 2 map does run more than 15 degree's. hi. timing adders/multipliers. do some math.
low timing down low does NOT equal torque. complete opposite actually.
i have cranked 24 degree's into a lsj without meth with ease. just because you can't do it, does not mean it can't be done.
also. flashing peoples cars with maps built by other people does not make you a tuner.
a stage 2 map does run more than 15 degree's. hi. timing adders/multipliers. do some math.
low timing down low does NOT equal torque. complete opposite actually.
i have cranked 24 degree's into a lsj without meth with ease. just because you can't do it, does not mean it can't be done.
also. flashing peoples cars with maps built by other people does not make you a tuner.
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08-03-2009, 03:49 PM
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lmao, this thread is awesome.
a stage 2 map does run more than 15 degree's. hi. timing adders/multipliers. do some math.
low timing down low does NOT equal torque. complete opposite actually.
i have cranked 24 degree's into a lsj without meth with ease. just because you can't do it, does not mean it can't be done.
also. flashing peoples cars with maps built by other people does not make you a tuner.
a stage 2 map does run more than 15 degree's. hi. timing adders/multipliers. do some math.
low timing down low does NOT equal torque. complete opposite actually.
i have cranked 24 degree's into a lsj without meth with ease. just because you can't do it, does not mean it can't be done.
also. flashing peoples cars with maps built by other people does not make you a tuner.
I just assumed he knew how to figure out what kind of timing stage 2 was running. Guess that explains how you can blow up with 2.8 full cooling mods. I'm no hero I figure out new stuff every day but maybe know what you are doing a bit before you advertise and travel around tuning these cars