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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 10:55 AM
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Fixed. Your t0rx1ng skillz are weak as well from what I'm told....
Never claimed they were strong...and its more the bolt stretching skillz then anything

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IIRC wasn't it you that was t00n1ng when a certain orange LSJ went ka-boom?
As a side note to this...Witt wasnt even logging KR or Spark(iirc) when this happened...further proof of tunar fail

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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by djt81185
15* is weak...the holset is gonna eat you alive
If it eats other cars as good as it starves your crankcase of oil and eats connecting rod journals only then should we worry.



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Never claimed they were strong...and its more the bolt stretching skillz then anything
L2diagnose poor oiling conditions.

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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Witt
What the two noobs above me don't understand is that fuel has to be spot on to run additional timing as the slightest lean spot while in PE triggers knock which can be devastating with higher cylinder pressures. I plan on running about 15 degrees on pump when I'm finished with it.
Yes, I have noticed this myself during my tuning sessions. My local tuner who tunes everything under the sun is used to aiming for low 12's for A/F ratios. He was shocked when I wanted to stop around 11.6-11.8 because he thought that was still just a wee bit rich. I bumped it to 11.8-12.0 and sure enough a small count of knock would rear it's ugly head in that spot. I saw a huge increase when I added just 2* timing from my previous setting once the A/F ratio was where I wanted it.

I think on pump gas you could get around 17-19* with that blower which will give you substancial boost in power like mine did at that point. This would be on 93 octane of course and no methanol since that doesn't float your boat.
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 11:10 AM
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Damn Witt Thats Harsh
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by LE5CAV
Damn Witt Thats Harsh
He gets pwnage rights so long as djt's motor is sitting in his basement, IMO.
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 2K5SS/SC?
Yes, I have noticed this myself during my tuning sessions. My local tuner who tunes everything under the sun is used to aiming for low 12's for A/F ratios. He was shocked when I wanted to stop around 11.6-11.8 because he thought that was still just a wee bit rich. I bumped it to 11.8-12.0 and sure enough a small count of knock would rear it's ugly head in that spot. I saw a huge increase when I added just 2* timing from my previous setting once the A/F ratio was where I wanted it.

I think on pump gas you could get around 17-19* with that blower which will give you substancial boost in power like mine did at that point. This would be on 93 octane of course and no methanol since that doesn't float your boat.
What I bolded is what will happen to me no matter how much timing is run. Ijust about have fueling done on mine and am getting ready to work on the spark.
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Witt
If it eats other cars as good as it starves your crankcase of oil and eats connecting rod journals only then should we worry.




L2diagnose poor oiling conditions.
Wasnt the holset that starved it..if indeed it did starve...oil was full

there might have been poor oiling...but that wasnt what caused the motor to stop...im pretty sure the rod thru the side did tho

And now he refuses to yank crank out of old block to check for starving on crank cause he just showered and doesnt want to get dirty..l2gojo
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 11:19 AM
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Quick Question For Rebel That I May Have Missed, Is The TS 3.5 TB Ready Or Does It Require The Spacer?
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Witt
What I bolded is what will happen to me no matter how much timing is run. Ijust about have fueling done on mine and am getting ready to work on the spark.
Yes indeed, you're not the only one! That's why I can't understand how others, like Area47, can run 12.5 A/F ratios and be fine.

I have not yet delved into the spark tables as that is an area I do not understand. I wish someone local had more HPTuners experience that could show me how to work that aspect and also show me how to dial in the MAF better. All I need to do is see it once and then it's locked in for good. It's just getting someone to show me is the issue since Honda, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Subaru and others definitely don't use HPTuners as I'm one of few around my area that has it. Most of the Camaro/Vette guys are too stuck up to even bother, so that leaves me with the internet and figuring **** out by trial!
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 2K5SS/SC?
Yes indeed, you're not the only one! That's why I can't understand how others, like Area47, can run 12.5 A/F ratios and be fine.

I have not yet delved into the spark tables as that is an area I do not understand. I wish someone local had more HPTuners experience that could show me how to work that aspect and also show me how to dial in the MAF better. All I need to do is see it once and then it's locked in for good. It's just getting someone to show me is the issue since Honda, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Subaru and other definitely don't use HPTuners I'm one of few around my area that has it. Most of the Camaro/Vette guys are too stuck up to even bother, so that leaves me with the internet and figuring **** out by trial!
I've always had the best luck dialing in the MAF by hand. Log MAF frequency and wideband o2 and see where your lean and rich spikes are when in PE. I then adjust the MAF in that area by moving it a few percentage points at a time.
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 12:49 PM
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Once again, I'm chasing info on this thing.
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Jumpin Fool
Once again, I'm chasing info on this thing.
I would have sent a PM with this link, but I figured you'd have seen it by now like myself.
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Witt
Heh, welcome to the club. I've been flamed for not providing dyno numbers on mine 3 days after receiving the larger blower.

BTW, I have yet to be able to run more than 11.5 degrees of timing on pump. It comes with the territory.
11.5*?? Huh, I'm at 17* pretty much through out the upper half of the RPM's and not a sign of any knock on 93 octane. I'm on the 3.1", what are you running?
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 04:59 PM
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2.75",i was running 19* with no problem but dropped down to 16.5*
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 2K5SS/SC?
I would have sent a PM with this link, but I figured you'd have seen it by now like myself.
It was just a chance encounter. I read the title and was like, "WHAT THE...!?, not again."
They should have a mailing list of the original crew that are still holding out for this thing.
Good to hear that they have it running again. My problem is that I already have too much power that I'm having trouble getting to the ground.

NO LSD!!!
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 05:03 PM
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drag radials
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lsjwannabe
drag radials
Yeah, I have some Kumho 710's that I use for autox and a nearby 3/8mile circle track.
In those avenues everything's a little more secure with less of a chance of somebody walking off with a set of wheels.
Don't feel the same about the strip and don't want to put them on and waste the rubber driving them to the strip that's an hour in either direction.

BUT I STILL NEED AN LSD!!!
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 07:02 PM
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I can see a need for an LSD if you are autoxing, but if you are just drag racing, it won't make a difference.
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jumpin Fool
It was just a chance encounter. I read the title and was like, "WHAT THE...!?, not again."
They should have a mailing list of the original crew that are still holding out for this thing.
Good to hear that they have it running again. My problem is that I already have too much power that I'm having trouble getting to the ground.

NO LSD!!!
I don't really think the LSD is going to make a difference there as I have it. With my current setup and my sticky ass Toyo T1R's at 235/45/17, I spin them all the way through second and finally get traction at the very top of 2nd if it's really warm out. If it's cool I'm spinning into the beginning of third. I have two more rims coming to match my other ones that I might throw a set of 245/45/17 Nitto 555R Drag radials on just for a little more traction on the street.
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 12:41 AM
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I'm afraid this product missed its window of opportunity, with the TVS out (or very soon) other than maybe the dual pass system I cant find a single benefit of this over the TVS. Not to mention the Harrop team started in January delivered prototypes 2 months later and in a month or two will be starting production. This system took 6 months to get pics of the Dual pass bracket.

Also why would you want to run oil lines if you could just bolt something on instead?

If this was the only option out there or it was priced lower than the TVS I'd feel better about it but thats simply not how it is.
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 04:42 AM
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the maf without calibrating it (same calibration as GM S2) maxes out at 47lb/min as we have seen on our turbo setup. You can only compare maf readings with the same calibration.

Those are great numbers but we want to line up our TS vs TVS for some healthy competition. The track at Cayuga (30min from US border) opens in April if anyone with a TVS wants to meet.
How about a built motor + stock eaton car too
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Rodimus_Prime
I'm afraid this product missed its window of opportunity, with the TVS out (or very soon) other than maybe the dual pass system I cant find a single benefit of this over the TVS. Not to mention the Harrop team started in January delivered prototypes 2 months later and in a month or two will be starting production. This system took 6 months to get pics of the Dual pass bracket.

Also why would you want to run oil lines if you could just bolt something on instead?

If this was the only option out there or it was priced lower than the TVS I'd feel better about it but thats simply not how it is.
I do have to agree somewhat with this statement, however those that have some serious coin invested in this like Jumpin Fool and myself would like to see it finished. I sent the payment to buy the first blower for testing way back in Dec 06 to give an idea of my patience level time awaited.
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 2K5SS/SC?
I do have to agree somewhat with this statement, however those that have some serious coin invested in this like Jumpin Fool and myself would like to see it finished. I sent the payment to buy the first blower for testing way back in Dec 06 to give an idea of my patience level time awaited.
Yep, and I'm guessing you got something like this as a selling point:
"We were shooting for the end of january With the project to be done.Early Febuary at the latest."

Is that about right?
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Rodimus_Prime
I'm afraid this product missed its window of opportunity, with the TVS out (or very soon) other than maybe the dual pass system I cant find a single benefit of this over the TVS. Not to mention the Harrop team started in January delivered prototypes 2 months later and in a month or two will be starting production. This system took 6 months to get pics of the Dual pass bracket.

Also why would you want to run oil lines if you could just bolt something on instead?

If this was the only option out there or it was priced lower than the TVS I'd feel better about it but thats simply not how it is.
harrop is a whole lot bigger then Rebel, so they have the money to invest in this type of stuff. pluss they work verry closely with eaton, so they cat cat the product quick and cheap. this is what harrop is known for, is there s/c kits. theres always room for competition. the TS when all said in done will be a contender.
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Jumpin Fool
Yep, and I'm guessing you got something like this as a selling point:
"We were shooting for the end of january With the project to be done.Early Febuary at the latest."

Is that about right?
Hell I don't remember since it's been so long. I'd have to go back and check all my emails. I went into negotiations I think about a month or two before that anyhow. I understand stuff takes time to make, and considering all the crap that has happened the only one still trucking on is Mase whom I don't even think planned on running a shop at the time way back then. You have to hand it to Mase, that he's the sole person still putting in the effort to ensure the project gets finished one way or the other. That's is probably the only the reason why I haven't gone off the deep end, drove up to Canada and personally offed someone.
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