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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 10:04 AM
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thats all messed up..id still fight with them and make sure they fix yur car cuz thats BS...
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 10:05 AM
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in the end theyd ont have any real proof that its your car so they cant do dick all!
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 10:09 AM
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we should all pitch in and retain a lawyer as a group.

Just for this kinda crap!
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 10:10 AM
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Also If we get this in the papers and get GM some bad press this could really sink their attempts to get some small car business and also improve their image...
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 10:10 AM
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CT hate to say it but when you do your video you will have to make sure that there are no plate numbers showing
Yeah I guess so hah? That is just the craziest thing I have ever heard.
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 10:25 AM
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Wow. Thats crap.

But, you can't blame an entire company because a dealer dicked you over.

Thats just a crappy dealer that needs to be removed from GM's list.

But man, I can't believe they'd actually pull that ****.
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SS_SC_Cobalt
Also If we get this in the papers and get GM some bad press this could really sink their attempts to get some small car business and also improve their image...
Ah, and make sure that nobody gets their stuff warrantied when GM goes under.

"Hey, I'd like to take my Silverado in to get worked on, but I can't, thanks to those jerks at CobaltSS.net!"
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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Thats horriable. I wont have picked up the car. First thing I would have done would have been have a lawyer call and talk to them.
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 10:33 AM
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I have an Idea why don't all of us with Black SS/SC's go to the dealership that he had the problem with and see if they say the same thing to us using the same pic.

Then He can contact his lawyer for a discrimination charge against the Dealership and GM.
We can all get Paid.
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 10:37 AM
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Man this kind of stuff makes me want to get rid of my balt real quick. My next car will def not be a gm that's for sure.
Dude, its not just the DOMESTIC market. ALL DEALERS SUCK for the most part. ALSO, any dealer can be a **** gobbler about warranty work if they want to be. I'm not really sure why they would be ***** about it now, since most dealers are slow for work.

Im tired of the whole domestic market bashing. Do you honestly think Toyota or Suki-Suki Hamaguichi is going to ******* warranty your **** if you come in there with your RICER 5000 that just threw a rod through the block because you decided it would be "cool" to add a 200shot of Nitrous to? The FACT of the matter is that he MIGHT. If you know someone that works there, chances are they will repair it regardless. On the other hand, if the dealer is a ****, he might just say "Go **** yourself." Its a DICE ROLL. (I know this is an exageration, but ANY dealer can be a DICK if they want to be.)

Try getting the money you paid them back for their so-called "labor", call GM and tell them what happened, and then, lastly you can try another dealer that you know others have had good experience with, or one where you know a mechanic.

Chris-
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 10:37 AM
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i say that dealer is full of dumbasses you should really go to another daler and see what they say then when they fix it and give you no problems.

then tyou should call gm and tell them that one dealer gave you problems and said you were raceing your car, then another dealer never gave you a problem.
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 11:17 AM
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It all depends on what mods he has. If a dealer fixes your car and it was shown by gm not to be a manufacture defect then the dealer suffers the loss of an engine job.

There just trying to cover there ass.

And like i said it depends on his mods !
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 11:51 AM
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I read an article in autoweek last year where a guy was denied a warranty claim because they had proof that he was racing w/ SCCA.... so this is not the first time. That was a Mitsubishi EVO.
I feel that they warranty should stand up if the car was raced and not totally flogged. You can race w/o killing the car.

OMG.... I am soooo paranoid about talking too much on this website now
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cds00bsmg
Dude, its not just the DOMESTIC market. ALL DEALERS SUCK for the most part. ALSO, any dealer can be a **** gobbler about warranty work if they want to be. I'm not really sure why they would be ***** about it now, since most dealers are slow for work.

Im tired of the whole domestic market bashing. Do you honestly think Toyota or Suki-Suki Hamaguichi is going to ******* warranty your **** if you come in there with your RICER 5000 that just threw a rod through the block because you decided it would be "cool" to add a 200shot of Nitrous to? The FACT of the matter is that he MIGHT. If you know someone that works there, chances are they will repair it regardless. On the other hand, if the dealer is a ****, he might just say "Go **** yourself." Its a DICE ROLL. (I know this is an exageration, but ANY dealer can be a DICK if they want to be.)

Try getting the money you paid them back for their so-called "labor", call GM and tell them what happened, and then, lastly you can try another dealer that you know others have had good experience with, or one where you know a mechanic.

Chris-
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 12:12 PM
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You know what this is doing with dealers not covering cars that were at a track?

It is promoting illeagle raceing. If you want to drive fast and maintain a warranty for repair now you must drive fast at an illeagle location possibly endangering yourself and others not to mention uninvolved parties.

that is such bs.

They have tracks you can go to. But with ******* stories like this of GM claiming warranty work will not be done cause we got a picture of your car legally raceing.

**** man (sorry hard language) what the hell is a guy/gal that wants to race supposed to do?

the answer is race it illegally and be a danger to those around you.

We need to get this in the books that Dealers can not simply claim a race event broke a part. They need to prove a particular race event caused a flaw. And the performance cars. Corvette, Cobalt SS/SC, and others of that ilk need to have a bit more of a premium price (not like they don't) to cover the fact that it is accepted practice to take them to race events. **** they should give vouchers after every x thousand miles. If you get such and such work done and we approve it (at a cost) you can track your car for x number of quarter mile runs or X number of autox miles.

Get the dealers/manufacturers in the mix.

While it will make the premium cars a bit more premium it will still be better for all parties involved. AND hopefully will reduce illegal street raceing to some extent.

You could even have amature classes of warrantied and non warrantied.



I wonder if they have ever even given that idea a thought. the biggest liability I see is some family sueing because stupid tommy took his car to an blah blah blah event. Nailed a wall at 100+mph and now has compelling coversations with the crisper drawer in the fridge. So they sue because GM said tomyy the idiot child that he is could race his car.

Biased example I know.

thoughts?
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 12:19 PM
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Pictures at a track? Whats next? Hidden cam in your garages? what did GM think we were gonna do with these cars? srry to hear about your misfortune
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Grimlakin
You know what this is doing with dealers not covering cars that were at a track?

It is promoting illeagl raceing. If you want to drive fast and maintain a warranty for repair now you must drive fast at an illeagl location, possibly endangering yourself and others not to mention uninvolved parties.

that is such bs.

They have tracks you can go to. But with ******* stories like this of GM claiming warranty work will not be done cause we got a picture of your car legally raceing.

**** man (sorry hard language) what the hell is a guy/gal that wants to race supposed to do?

the answer is race it illegally, and be a danger to those around you.

We need to get this in the books that Dealers can not simply claim a race event broke a part. They need to prove a particular race event caused a flaw. And the performance cars. Corvette, Cobalt SS/SC, and others of that like need to have a bit more of a premium price (not like they don't) to cover the fact that it is accepted practice to take them to race events. **** they should give vouchers after every x thousand miles. If you get such and such work done and we approve it (at a cost) you can track your car for x number of quarter mile runs or X number of autox miles.

Get the dealers/manufacturers in the mix.

While it will make the premium cars a bit more premium it will still be better for all parties involved. AND hopefully will reduce illegal street raceing to some extent.

You could even have amature classes of warrantied and non warrantied.



I wonder if they have ever even given that idea a thought. the biggest liability I see is some family sueing because stupid tommy took his car to an blah blah blah event. Nailed a wall at 100+mph and now has compelling coversations with the crisper drawer in the fridge. So they sue because GM said tomyy the idiot child that he is could race his car.

Biased example I know.

thoughts?
The whole dealership denying warranty work is NOTHING NEW. IT DEPENDS ON THE DEALER. I know a dealer who installed a NEW engine in an SRT-4 because the motor was blown. They got into his glove box and there were TIMESLIPS, PICTURES, ETC. They didn't give two *****. They warrantied the motor, and installed a NEW one.

I don't know why dealers don't warranty ****. They get paid for it either way. I know that if GM wanted to be a **** sucker about it, they could investigate the part failure, and say "Jacking off into the intake caused this ****-up, NOT so-and-so", and then come back against the dealer. This DOES happen, and the dealer gets fucked. This is ONE of the reasons why dealers are such ass-hats about warranty work.


LONG EXPLANATION:
I speak from experience. I replaced a windshield in a 05 Ford Focus for stress crack. Got a new carlite window, installed it. Turned the "stress cracked" window into the parts room. Some dumb **** there decides "Oh. I'll just pitch this ******". So, good old FORD comes looking for that window. TA DA, its NOT there. So then Mr. Parts Guy gets all bent out of shape and asks me FOR ANOTHER STRESS CRACKED WINDOW. WHERE the hell do I get one of those at?

Luckilly for him I got another focus windshield, and gave him the one I replaced. He sent it in to FORD. FORD CALLS, and says "This isn't for an 05 Focus, its for an 03, and says the dealership has to pay the cost" (0x-06 FOCUS windshields are the same, except for the nifty carlite stamp at the bottom which I was NOT aware of). Needless to say, that dealer is fucked.

SOOO.....
Its all up to Dealer discretion. It happens with ALL MAKES, and its NOTHING NEW.

Chris-
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cds00bsmg
The whole dealership denying warranty work is NOTHING NEW. IT DEPENDS ON THE DEALER. I know a dealer who installed a NEW engine in an SRT-4 because the motor was blown. They got into his glove box and there were TIMESLIPS, PICTURES, ETC. They didn't give two *****. They warrantied the motor, and installed a NEW one.

I don't know why dealers don't warranty ****. They get paid for it either way. I know that if GM wanted to be a **** sucker about it, they could investigate the part failure, and say "Jacking off into the intake caused this ****-up, NOT so-and-so", and then come back against the dealer. This DOES happen, and the dealer gets fucked. This is ONE of the reasons why dealers are such ass-hats about warranty work.


LONG EXPLANATION:
I speak from experience. I replaced a windshield in a 05 Ford Focus for stress crack. Got a new carlite window, installed it. Turned the "stress cracked" window into the parts room. Some dumb **** there decides "Oh. I'll just pitch this ******". So, good old FORD comes looking for that window. TA DA, its NOT there. So then Mr. Parts Guy gets all bent out of shape and asks me FOR ANOTHER STRESS CRACKED WINDOW. WHERE the hell do I get one of those at?

Luckilly for him I got another focus windshield, and gave him the one I replaced. He sent it in to FORD. FORD CALLS, and says "This isn't for an 05 Focus, its for an 03, and says the dealership has to pay the cost" (0x-06 FOCUS windshields are the same, except for the nifty carlite stamp at the bottom which I was NOT aware of). Needless to say, that dealer is fucked.

SOOO.....
Its all up to Dealer discretion. It happens with ALL MAKES, and its NOTHING NEW.

Chris-
But, the dealer got screwed because they screwed up and lost the wind shield. Thats there stupid mistake.

The only imediate answer is to remove "all" aftermarket parts before taking it in and being careful at the track.

To the thread starter, Im sorry this happened. Take the car to another dealer and get it put back together and fixed. Then sue the bad dealer for the charges. Call GM, demand that this problem be fixed, Send them a damn link to this post and others about warranty work, Get an outside opinion (other mechanic) that the car couldn't have failed because of abuse, Bitch and yell for all your worth, then when things start to come around sell the car and move on.
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 01:50 PM
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The dealerships McLaren sold their F1's through MAKE you take the car in for service every x,xxx miles. It's all part of the agreement you sign when you take ownership of one. Funny how the filthy rich get much better treatment than folks driving $20,000 cars.
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 04:19 PM
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The dealerships McLaren sold their F1's through MAKE you take the car in for service every x,xxx miles. It's all part of the agreement you sign when you take ownership of one. Funny how the filthy rich get much better treatment than folks driving $20,000 cars.
Why shouldn't they?

Yes, GM is the devil, those idiots provided us with a fun car!

After that, we abused it, and it broke! How dare they not warranty our screw ups!

I mean, its not even legal to use an aerosol can in a manner other than intended. And you guys are gonna bitch and whine about how your car broke when you were racing it?

Gotta pay to play folks, and some of you apparently weren't ready to do so.
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 04:30 PM
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Why shouldn't they?

Yes, GM is the devil, those idiots provided us with a fun car!

After that, we abused it, and it broke! How dare they not warranty our screw ups!

I mean, its not even legal to use an aerosol can in a manner other than intended. And you guys are gonna bitch and whine about how your car broke when you were racing it?

Gotta pay to play folks, and some of you apparently weren't ready to do so.

You're right, GM advertises 205 HP at 6500 RPM, in no way should their car ever be expected to live up to their advertised claims with any sort of reliability. If GM didn't want you racing the revs that high, they should have limited it to something like 3000 rpm so that us idiots won't take the engine to it's advertised redline and God forbid, have fun with our cars. That would just be terrible if we took our cars to the track and legally checked GM's claims. What bastards we are.
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 04:49 PM
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May be a dumb question but does it say anywhere in any books or contracts that you can not run your car past a certain RPM (redline being obvious)?
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 04:51 PM
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dam keith ur car looks terrible like taht fix her up wit better parts then gm parts!!! lol
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Listerman
May be a dumb question but does it say anywhere in any books or contracts that you can not run your car past a certain RPM (redline being obvious)?

http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/gm_warranty/

Im on dail-up right now. So im not going to down load it.
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 05:15 PM
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First off, the dealer is Banks Chevrolet. Secondly when keith had brought the car to the dealer he had a stock pulley on the supercharger, no tunes or anything, the only mods he has on the car is a CAI and a Cat-Back Exhaust. Now I am by no means a master tech, but i do know that those mods will not void warranty and for GM to produce and market a performance vehicle, advertise a engine build book, and try to deny warranty because they speculate overboosting and racing at the track with no actual proof. There are more that a half dozen Black SS/SC's tolling around our neck of New Hampshire(not includeing Massachusettes). Keith is a very close friend of mine and i have been trying to help him out on this whole bogus scenario. But we have gotten nowhere fast. I run up at the track all the time and i dont care whether any car dealers see it or not. I don't give a s@#t about any dealer or what they say. My wife works at Dobles Chevrolet and I pull in there w/ track #'s on my car and no one has said a word about anything except for how'd you do?. What Banks has done to Keith is downright wrong. They will deffinatly be sorry when they do hear from some representation on Keith's behalf. Anyway I'm just fumed so I could probably go on and on, but I'm gonna end this before I get too ugly. Don't worry Keith we will get this taken care of. lata.
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