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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 04:04 PM
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the first run on your dyno i made 249whp. that was doing nothing except changing some things you said to adjust for 60's. the 2nd run was over 250whp then the 3rd run you backed off things and made it supper safe with the 75shot which was less timing and a rich afr to be safe because i didn't want to blow up (car made 309whp/321torque on a safe tune which when i had called you up you said it would make 310whp; i thought that was pretty funny you were dead on). you had one of your workers try to delete my engine codes which he forgot to disable them and just deleted them so i came back which you then deleted the codes. on my 3rd trip i came back because the car was running rich under WOT which i thought the wideband was getting false or incorrect readings because of the person who wired it for me. i later found out once i bought hp tuners that it was because cot wasn't disable and the car was trying to add more fuel so the cat wouldn't over heat. those were my issues along with the car having a weird idle. i sent my tune out to various people and they said the tune was a modified stage2 tune. i did make it to the track on your tune and ran a 13.2 @ 110mph with drag radials. i also went 13.4 @ 109mph before that with gm stg2 + 45wet shot on street tires. i do know that i picked up power in the 1/8.

if you look back in this thread and the other one i said your a nice guy matt and i have no problem with you. I just wasn't very happen with the tune i got for the price. That is just my opinion and at the end of the day you please a lot of people and the certain people who are un-happy or un-satisfied shouldn't really make or break you. I believe you were sort of rushed that day and if you read back on my posts in this thread and the other one i believe you would agree with me.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 04:16 PM
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wow.... lots of hate for TTP.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 04:24 PM
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the first run on your dyno i made 249whp. that was doing nothing except changing some things you said to adjust for 60's. the 2nd run was over 250whp then the 3rd run you backed off things and made it supper safe with the 75shot which was less timing and a rich afr to be safe because i didn't want to blow up (car made 309whp/321torque on a safe tune which when i had called you up you said it would make 310whp; i thought that was pretty funny you were dead on). you had one of your workers try to delete my engine codes which he forgot to disable them and just deleted them so i came back which you then deleted the codes. on my 3rd trip i came back because the car was running rich under WOT which i thought the wideband was getting false or incorrect readings because of the person who wired it for me. i later found out once i bought hp tuners that it was because cot wasn't disable and the car was trying to add more fuel so the cat wouldn't over heat. those were my issues along with the car having a weird idle. i sent my tune out to various people and they said the tune was a modified stage2 tune. i did make it to the track on your tune and ran a 13.2 @ 110mph with drag radials. i also went 13.4 @ 109mph before that with gm stg2 + 45wet shot on street tires. i do know that i picked up power in the 1/8.

if you look back in this thread and the other one i said your a nice guy matt and i have no problem with you. I just wasn't very happen with the tune i got for the price. That is just my opinion and at the end of the day you please a lot of people and the certain people who are un-happy or un-satisfied shouldn't really make or break you. I believe you were sort of rushed that day and if you read back on my posts in this thread and the other one i believe you would agree with me.
Basicly you asked for a safe tune ... I gave you what you asked for. As for the multiple trips here I am sorry .... { the pains of growth...LOL . my issue is not with you persay More with Dan ... } (car made 309whp/321torque on a safe tune which when i had called you up you said it would make 310whp; i thought that was pretty funny you were dead on) Right I have only tuned 100+ LSJ's and have only seen 2-4 people unhappy ... { btw I have always stood buy my work and if any one is unhappy let me know and I will make it right and yes it might require a trip to the shop} Also we are not reinventing the wheel here, there are only so many mods you can do to the LSJ ... Also if your going to compare runs at the track you should state all of the info ... 60 ft , 1/8th mile , D/A , tires
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1st you come to our dyno day and you have stage 2 with 2.8 I tell you your lean and it's dangerous 12.4-12.8 a/f
2nd you blow up on spray
3rd you go though 2 motor's
Then you come to me and ask me for a deal on a tune [ I hook you up ] Then we discuss that you have stock timing then you where to come back to spray it on the dyno and dial the car in ...
You never return ... Now talk **** about me and how I can't tune ... I have been nothin but nice to you and tried to help you and this is how you repay me ... Thanks for all of the **** talking and I'm sure you need a set of pistons soon ..
1st I knew about it. That motor was my fault.
2nd yes I blew up on spray.
3rd yes I went threw 2 motors.
4th you didn't hook me up, you gave me the same tune and charged same price as everyone else. I don't need pistons, I already have them. They held up fine enough to pull someones TC on spray. I never returned because I have been unsatisfied from day 1. Before my car was tuned by you I recommended you to everyone left and right. After it was tuned the car ran great and pulled extremely well. My only problem was the extremely horrible gas mileage. After doing hours of research I learned all about your tune and how improperly scaled my injectors are. I wanted my car tuned correctly, not half assed. This is where my gripe with you came from.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ludicristSS
Basicly you asked for a safe tune ... I gave you what you asked for. As for the multiple trips here I am sorry .... { the pains of growth...LOL . my issue is not with you persay More with Dan ... } (car made 309whp/321torque on a safe tune which when i had called you up you said it would make 310whp; i thought that was pretty funny you were dead on) Right I have only tuned 100+ LSJ's and have only seen 2-4 people unhappy ... { btw I have always stood buy my work and if any one is unhappy let me know and I will make it right and yes it might require a trip to the shop} Also we are not reinventing the wheel here, there are only so many mods you can do to the LSJ ... Also if your going to compare runs at the track you should state all of the info ... 60 ft , 1/8th mile , D/A , tires
#9577

gm stage 2 tune, 2.80, airbox mod, cx h/e, 45 wet shot (bottle not heated and low temp) Street tires all season pretty junky tires



ur tune, 60's, 2.80, airbox mod, cx h/e, 75shot (heated up bottle to like 1k or more), header + dp, hoosier d.o.t. street legal drag radials aka cheater slicks.


i have video's and also dyno slip from you and also a diff dyno when i made about 307whp on the old setup on a dynojet. pretty sure that dyno jet reads high though. i know that the 40% boost limit was what really killed me on the slicks with your tune. i knew the 40% boost limit was going to **** me up but i figured you were trying to save me from fcking up something. lol

let me know what u think. also one of these days i'll have to get back to the track i think the car should be in the 12's. i know i am not a good driver but rarely go to the track so it is what it is. anyways my car is cheap and has been cheaply modded so for the power it puts down i am not really complaining. other guys have far more invested and are un-happy and sell there cars because of it. (kind of like that dude who you tuned for tvs and only put down 280whp i believe and he was all butt hurt and left that day when it was wet out and did a burnout down the street in the rain) lol.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 05:46 AM
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I give up. OP doesn't seem to want any help when people are giving him advice.

and TTP came in and wrecked this thread.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 06:28 AM
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wow...this thread is full of fail.

First off the op needs to get an exhaust system, period. 19lbs of boost is WAY to much boost for your pulley. You should only be seeing 15-16lbs of boost tops with a proper exhaust. Boost is not power, it is a restriction of airflow.

If you want more power and a safer motor, you NEED to get a downpipe and catback. I HIGHLY recommend the hahn catback. I dropped a few lbs of boost after swapping out my exhaust system, I was very pleased!

As far as TTP's tuning capabilities I have heard many things. Instead of all of this hearsay why don't we do something very simple, upload screenshots or the tune. Someone said they were tuned by ttp and then bought hptuners and got retuned correctly. Do you by any chance have the ttp tune still? If you send it to me I will give you my opinion as a tuner. I make my living as a tuner and specialize in cobalts, I have a lot to learn and ask for help when needed but I know what I am doing. If ttp's tune is flawed in anyway I will comment on it.

Also to the owner/vendor/tuner of ttp, if you would like to send me the tune you used on his car, or any of your cobalt clients tunes, I will try to help clear your name. If your tunes are good I am sure my opinion will help sway other clients into purchasing your tunes. My motto has always been if you have nothing to hide, hide nothing at all. I know a lot of vendors who have no problems sharing tune files and helping people learn new things. I am an independent tuner and have no ties to any company, so if your worried about me saying your tunes are crap and to buy mine, you need not worry. I don't tune the east coast unless it's done online which I generally don't do.

I will make a comment however. I am officially going to say that street tunes are "generally" better then shop tunes. A LOT of shops are NOT doing things the right way, they cut corners and get it done as quickly as possible so they can make the most amount of money. I would bet A LOT of money that the op does not have his fuel trims dialed in correctly, does not have a properly scaled maf and also does not have the right scaling on the injectors *many shops have this issue at times*.

TTP, if you don't feel comfortable uploading your tune, or screenshots of it, nor sending a tune file to me to check over then hopefully you will feel comfortable enough sending me/the community a log of the op's car, or again of any cobalt you tuned. This will tell us a lot, but not everything we need to know.

Like I said, I have nothing against ttp but I do have problems with shops tuning cars half assed. This is a problem that has been going on for awhile now and I am just now addressing it. I have fixed several companies tunes including but not limited to intense, zzp's, trifecta's *has issues with lsj 60lbers, but I still love you Vince!!*, gm stage 2 tunes and others.

I am not saying that I am a better tuner then ttp nor any of these other companies. What I am saying is that sometimes everyone needs help. I today just asked another well known tuner for some tuning advice/help with some new mods I will be installing wednesday. I think if more companies shared there knowledge with each other that we would have MUCH better tunes floating around then what I have been seeing, especially how it was in the past.

If you have been around here long enough to remember the older days everyone here can attest to how many intense tunes ruined motors. Granted there were a combination of problems that were not just tuning related such as people running 2.6 pulleys with no cooling mods and iat2's over 200 degrees, but still that was one of there stage kits ya know. Hell even zzp back in the day had there 42lber 2.7 and 2.8 tunes. We learn as we go and there is nothing wrong with that. But you will notice that the newer companies are making a great name for themselves and doing so well because they have learned from everyones mistakes. Take a look at ottp, you never saw them releasing tunes that could be considered dangerous in any way. In fact I still consider ottp's tunes to be of the highest quality on the market today for a canned tuned. Granted a custom hptuned car will almost always out perform a "canned" tune, but out of all the canned tunes there are, I would say ottp's is the best.

To be honest with everyone, I personally think dyno tunes are worse then the canned tunes floating around. I say this because a lot of the shops that are tuning cobalts do not know the lsj platform well enough to be tuning them and do not take the time to learn them. So in return you get a half assed tune that yes will make more power on there dyno, but is NOT done correctly. I have seen this from multiple shops all over the united states.

In conclusion I really hope that the op gets an exhaust system and a custom tune. There is no reason you should be getting anything but stellar gas mileage, even with your foot in it. It's pretty difficult to get under 300 miles to a tank of gas with your foot in it all the time. Most people can push 325-350 miles to a tank of gas with there foot out of it. Also people need to stop using there DIC to tell them there MPG, they need to do it the correct way. If you have injectors larger then gm stage 2's 42.5lbers the ecu will NOT read the mpg correctly. This is because the injectors have different settings then the stock ones.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BillyBboy
#9577

gm stage 2 tune, 2.80, airbox mod, cx h/e, 45 wet shot (bottle not heated and low temp) Street tires all season pretty junky tires



ur tune, 60's, 2.80, airbox mod, cx h/e, 75shot (heated up bottle to like 1k or more), header + dp, hoosier d.o.t. street legal drag radials aka cheater slicks.


i have video's and also dyno slip from you and also a diff dyno when i made about 307whp on the old setup on a dynojet. pretty sure that dyno jet reads high though. i know that the 40% boost limit was what really killed me on the slicks with your tune. i knew the 40% boost limit was going to **** me up but i figured you were trying to save me from fcking up something. lol

let me know what u think. also one of these days i'll have to get back to the track i think the car should be in the 12's. i know i am not a good driver but rarely go to the track so it is what it is. anyways my car is cheap and has been cheaply modded so for the power it puts down i am not really complaining. other guys have far more invested and are un-happy and sell there cars because of it. (kind of like that dude who you tuned for tvs and only put down 280whp i believe and he was all butt hurt and left that day when it was wet out and did a burnout down the street in the rain) lol.
You Picked up 5mph in the 1/8 = 40-50 whp . Then it seems you ran out of spray up top . . The guy with 280whp is a number hunter but his car has stayed with my 12.20 1/4 g8 from 40-130 many times ... He will always be my customer and is a friend ..

Originally Posted by ralliartist
I give up. OP doesn't seem to want any help when people are giving him advice.

and TTP came in and wrecked this thread.
Wrecked this thread are you kidding me I'm just try to help out my customer who is been given some wrong info and some right ...

Originally Posted by Zach06CobaltSC
wow...this thread is full of fail.

First off the op needs to get an exhaust system, period. 19lbs of boost is WAY to much boost for your pulley. You should only be seeing 15-16lbs of boost tops with a proper exhaust. Boost is not power, it is a restriction of airflow. Wow that makes sense

If you want more power and a safer motor, you NEED to get a downpipe and catback. I HIGHLY recommend the hahn catback. I dropped a few lbs of boost after swapping out my exhaust system, I was very pleased!

As far as TTP's tuning capabilities I have heard many things. Instead of all of this hearsay why don't we do something very simple, upload screenshots or the tune. Someone said they were tuned by ttp and then bought hptuners and got retuned correctly. Do you by any chance have the ttp tune still? If you send it to me I will give you my opinion as a tuner. I make my living as a tuner and specialize in cobalts, I have a lot to learn and ask for help when needed but I know what I am doing. If ttp's tune is flawed in anyway I will comment on it.

Also to the owner/vendor/tuner of ttp, if you would like to send me the tune you used on his car, or any of your cobalt clients tunes, I will try to help clear your name. If your tunes are good I am sure my opinion will help sway other clients into purchasing your tunes. My motto has always been if you have nothing to hide, hide nothing at all. I know a lot of vendors who have no problems sharing tune files and helping people learn new things. I am an independent tuner and have no ties to any company, so if your worried about me saying your tunes are crap and to buy mine, you need not worry. I don't tune the east coast unless it's done online which I generally don't do.

I will make a comment however. I am officially going to say that street tunes are "generally" better then shop tunes. A LOT of shops are NOT doing things the right way, they cut corners and get it done as quickly as possible so they can make the most amount of money. I would bet A LOT of money that the op does not have his fuel trims dialed in correctly, does not have a properly scaled maf and also does not have the right scaling on the injectors *many shops have this issue at times*.

TTP, if you don't feel comfortable uploading your tune, or screenshots of it, nor sending a tune file to me to check over then hopefully you will feel comfortable enough sending me/the community a log of the op's car, or again of any cobalt you tuned. This will tell us a lot, but not everything we need to know.

Like I said, I have nothing against ttp but I do have problems with shops tuning cars half assed. This is a problem that has been going on for awhile now and I am just now addressing it. I have fixed several companies tunes including but not limited to intense, zzp's, trifecta's *has issues with lsj 60lbers, but I still love you Vince!!*, gm stage 2 tunes and others.

I am not saying that I am a better tuner then ttp nor any of these other companies. What I am saying is that sometimes everyone needs help. I today just asked another well known tuner for some tuning advice/help with some new mods I will be installing wednesday. I think if more companies shared there knowledge with each other that we would have MUCH better tunes floating around then what I have been seeing, especially how it was in the past.

If you have been around here long enough to remember the older days everyone here can attest to how many intense tunes ruined motors. Granted there were a combination of problems that were not just tuning related such as people running 2.6 pulleys with no cooling mods and iat2's over 200 degrees, but still that was one of there stage kits ya know. Hell even zzp back in the day had there 42lber 2.7 and 2.8 tunes. We learn as we go and there is nothing wrong with that. But you will notice that the newer companies are making a great name for themselves and doing so well because they have learned from everyones mistakes. Take a look at ottp, you never saw them releasing tunes that could be considered dangerous in any way. In fact I still consider ottp's tunes to be of the highest quality on the market today for a canned tuned. Granted a custom hptuned car will almost always out perform a "canned" tune, but out of all the canned tunes there are, I would say ottp's is the best.

To be honest with everyone, I personally think dyno tunes are worse then the canned tunes floating around. I say this because a lot of the shops that are tuning cobalts do not know the lsj platform well enough to be tuning them and do not take the time to learn them. So in return you get a half assed tune that yes will make more power on there dyno, but is NOT done correctly. I have seen this from multiple shops all over the united states.

In conclusion I really hope that the op gets an exhaust system and a custom tune. There is no reason you should be getting anything but stellar gas mileage, even with your foot in it. It's pretty difficult to get under 300 miles to a tank of gas with your foot in it all the time. Most people can push 325-350 miles to a tank of gas with there foot out of it. Also people need to stop using there DIC to tell them there MPG, they need to do it the correct way. If you have injectors larger then gm stage 2's 42.5lbers the ecu will NOT read the mpg correctly. This is because the injectors have different settings then the stock ones.
OK this all go back to HP on the dyno + a rich condition ...

1st he needs to unrestrict the exhaust

2nd I have offered him a free retune [ Like I said before it's all about customer service if you have a problem with something I did . be a MAN and tell me I will bend over backwards for every one nomatter if you spent $250 on a dyno tune or 20K on a full build ]

3rd You can make the ECU read the milage with in 2% if your injector scale is correct [ all of them] .



Originally Posted by damien
1st I knew about it. That motor was my fault.
2nd yes I blew up on spray.
3rd yes I went threw 2 motors.
4th you didn't hook me up, you gave me the same tune and charged same price as everyone else. I don't need pistons, I already have them. They held up fine enough to pull someones TC on spray. I never returned because I have been unsatisfied from day 1. Before my car was tuned by you I recommended you to everyone left and right. After it was tuned the car ran great and pulled extremely well. My only problem was the extremely horrible gas mileage. You told me about it then came in here I adjusted your tune ...Next time I see you you say your milage is great .[ Half Assed ? ] After doing hours of research I learned all about your tune and how improperly scaled my injectors are. I wanted my car tuned correctly, not half assed. This is where my gripe with you came from.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 10:04 AM
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For one listen to what some people are saying. Your exhaust flow is junk, get an aftermarket 3"dp, and exhaust, and bump your mixture up to 70/30 at least.
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My mileage still sucks Matt after you adjusted it. Haven't seen you since I stopped by that day so idk where you got that it's great. 200 miles city driving is horrible.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ludicristSS
You Picked up 5mph in the 1/8 = 40-50 whp . Then it seems you ran out of spray up top . . The guy with 280whp is a number hunter but his car has stayed with my 12.20 1/4 g8 from 40-130 many times ... He will always be my customer and is a friend ..
i think the reason why it started to suck so much up top was because the car was knocking really bad. i have log's with hp tuners on your tune with a 48-124mph pull on the highway and the car was knocking really bad. i posted that up on redline forums and everyone was like who tuned you. send me your tune file after i posted up the log. at this point i realized something was wrong with the tune and i had hp tuners so i figured i would try and figure it out and i realized i had to re-tune my maf and dial in everything all over again. i never changed my mod's. like i said before i really don't have a problem with you i just wasn't fully satisfied.

i think my car is running a lot better now that i took the time to disable certain things and re-tune everything. I don't know what would of happened if i stayed on your tune and kept running the spray or went to the track none of us will never know. i just know it wasn't running right to my expectations. my expectations aren't too high as you know i have 2 buttons mounted on a credit card and a giant door bell button as my nitrous button.

i went a different route and wanted to tune myself so i would be fully satisfied with the car/tune. i will probably see you around eventually one day and i hope you don't think i am coming across as a dick.

ps. we all know modding cobalts and tuning them is sooo pointless at the end of the day. i have 300whp with spray in a front wheel drive car that just spins. lol your g8 > almost all cobalts
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 11:34 AM
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get your exhaust sorted out, get a smaller pulley and a new tune, your car will be a monster compared to what it is now. i figure you could be 20whp and 30wtq above what you are now, easily
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I'm tuned by ttp its a performance shop who specializes with chevys n fords my tune is great. I don't have the money to go tvs etc. I'm poor sry lol. What can I do?
lmao ttp. they've only blown how many motors now? hope you got the money to pay for a new motor .
gurantee you my car with a 3.0 42's and little tweaks off of gms2 would be > but what do i know.

Originally Posted by rallycobalt06
wow.... lots of hate for TTP.
lol.....atleast intenses kits made power......


OP seriously. hit up 06blackg85ss and see if he can get a spot open to tune you. gurantee you'll be alot more satisfied...and beating up on evos and mustangs...**** i could do that on gm stage 2....

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Old Sep 26, 2009 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by daythecountrydied21
lmao ttp. they've only blown how many motors now? hope you got the money to pay for a new motor .
gurantee you my car with a 3.0 42's and little tweaks off of gms2 would be > but what do i know.



lol.....atleast intenses kits made power......


OP seriously. hit up 06blackg85ss and see if he can get a spot open to tune you. gurantee you'll be alot more satisfied...and beating up on evos and mustangs...**** i could do that on gm stage 2....
Not one motor where do you get your facts ?

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get your exhaust sorted out, get a smaller pulley and a new tune, your car will be a monster compared to what it is now. i figure you could be 20whp and 30wtq above what you are now, easily
No Way ... No stock cammed ,stock blower has ever made over 262whp ... on this dyno ... [ Stop number hunting and start racing ]

Originally Posted by BillyBboy
i think the reason why it started to suck so much up top was because the car was knocking really bad. i have log's with hp tuners on your tune with a 48-124mph pull on the highway and the car was knocking really bad. i posted that up on redline forums and everyone was like who tuned you. send me your tune file after i posted up the log. at this point i realized something was wrong with the tune and i had hp tuners so i figured i would try and figure it out and i realized i had to re-tune my maf and dial in everything all over again. i never changed my mod's. like i said before i really don't have a problem with you i just wasn't fully satisfied.

i think my car is running a lot better now that i took the time to disable certain things and re-tune everything. I don't know what would of happened if i stayed on your tune and kept running the spray or went to the track none of us will never know. i just know it wasn't running right to my expectations. my expectations aren't too high as you know i have 2 buttons mounted on a credit card and a giant door bell button as my nitrous button.

i went a different route and wanted to tune myself so i would be fully satisfied with the car/tune. i will probably see you around eventually one day and i hope you don't think i am coming across as a dick.

ps. we all know modding cobalts and tuning them is sooo pointless at the end of the day. i have 300whp with spray in a front wheel drive car that just spins. lol your g8 > almost all cobalts
Not a dick... but you should have called me instead of putting it on a public forum ...

To all of the guys who told him to get a new tune ...Why didn't any one think for him to CLEAN HIS MAF ... never did it ... So instead of talking **** about my tune's [ been tuning them since 05 there all still running ] ... Here is the best part ... The MAF was hanging out of the pipe with 1 screw hloding it on ?

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Old Sep 26, 2009 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ludicristSS
Not one motor where do you get your facts ?

No Way ... No stock cammed ,stock blower has ever made over 262whp ... on this dyno ... [ Stop number hunting and start racing ]

Not a dick... but you should have called me instead of putting it on a public forum ...

To all of the guys who told him to get a new tune ...Why didn't any one think for him to CLEAN HIS MAF ... never did it ... So instead of talking **** about my tune's [ been tuning them since 05 there all still running ] ... Here is the best part ... The MAF was hanging out of the pipe with 1 screw hloding it on ?
sad but true, i went to ttp to have matt double check everything because of all the bs people are talking and he did smoke tests etc etc and my maf sensor was hanging out of my aire intake (which was my fault lolololol). it was causing me to run very rich at some points as well as making me stall every now and then. after matt and his crew fixed my maf and cleaned it (talk about dirty lol) and he made a few adjustmets the car ran a hell of a lot better and pulled stronger then ever 24 deg timming never felt so good. as far as everyone elses comments about my shity exhaust setup i am going with a zzp 3in header, dp and cat back. thank you guys for your help and thank you matt for unfuckin my maf and helping me out i will see you after i get my ottp motor mounts, clutch and full exhaust in the car.
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Old Sep 27, 2009 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ludicristSS
Not one motor where do you get your facts ?
There's a reason why there's a few redlines that you previously tuned aren't returning customers .
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Old Sep 27, 2009 | 06:10 PM
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