we should call hahn to make the adapter.

 

but i dont want a friggin turbo, im not trying to be an ass but if i wanted a turbo car that i could mod i would have bought an SRT4.

 

Exactly what was told to me & how can people aford a SC up grade and to rebuild there motor??

I'm sure there are a handful of people willing to drop $10,000 to upgrade there SC but lets face it the market for this is weak to say the least.

I'm running STG2 with 2.8 pulley & Injen CAI & I'm right at 17.5 psi max boost & if you get to 20 or 25 you better be ready for internal motor work shortly as I'm sure it might run for awhile but at some point soon you will be rebuilding.

There are alot of cars & trucks that benifit from the sc upgrade to a Whipple as I know the Ford Lightning saw hugh gains from a simple sc upgrade but dam thats a V8 that can take the extra boos as the factory SC was weak from the start. I could stay even up with a stock Lightning in my SC Tahoe as I had him off the line & he would catch me in the long run & man I was way over weight, but after the guy put the whipple on he eat me for lunch hands down.

If people want a full blown race car there willing to pay to play but for the most part people want faster cars to drive daily & I feel I have one but with a whipple added it would be a short lived really fast car.


Just my $ .02 after research

 

The W75AX is rated to 20,000 RPM and 35psi max. With a 3.1" pulley we could be running ~22 psi and have significantly lower charge temps than Intense's Stage 5.

The problem with the 100AX is that it is too long to use with the stock intake manifold if you want to use the existing channel for the bypass. And yes you want to use a bypass. The W75AX is just about the perfect length assuming it keeps the same dimensions as the 1200AX that it's replacing.

If you build the motor like, VictoryRed is doing, you could fit about a 2.3" or 2.2" and run 35 psi.

As for cost, I was looking to built a similar to how Intense does theirs, PCM, injectors, harness, adapters for roughly $3,000-$3,500. My estimate for the 22 psi is comfortably over 300 whp due to the denser air charge and decreased drag from the s/c. This would also leave the the option of higher boost after some motor work.

 

I agree it would be great to raise the pulley size & get the same or added boost & also keep the air temps lower thats an ideal upgrade & with your thinking it does make more sense to me, but like you said if you bump up that boost as most will want to do then.

Motor internals
Clutch
Drive axles will also need replaced as I've seen others have had to do

 

you make a good point about motor internals, clutch, and drive axles. Well i already have a clutch, i plan on buying new drive axles withing the next 6 months, i dont want to do any traction mods because as soon as i do my axles are gonna snap and i dont have the money right now to replace them, also motor internals are on my list of things to do but im saving up for tech school so i cant buy everything at once. I'm not saying some company has to come out with this stuff tomorrow but it would be comforting to know that someone is gonna develope something down the line within the next couple years.

 

I think eventually, the whipple will be a great idea. I think someone would need to do the "order of operations" to do it correctly, however. I think you should start out by reaching "full bolt-ons" first. By that I mean the proper Intake, Header w/DP, Cat-back, smaller pulley, possibly ported throttle body,possibly ported blower along with W/Meth injection, dual pass intake manifold, 2cnd heat exchanger, and A really good tune. While doing the bolt-ons, the clutch and axels need to be addressed, along with control arm bushings and tranny mounts to help with launching and wheelhop. You will also need all of the supportive mods like colder plugs, 60lb/hr fuel injectors, scan gauge, wideband, etc. You could have solid mid 12's at this point, plus a great foundation for engine work. This is about where I'm at now, the header w/dp, ported blower, dual intake, and 2cnd H/E are on the way. From there, I would say go with the internals. Forged pistons, stronger valve springs, stronger head gasket, head studs, ported head, cams, cam gears, etc. With more tuning, low 12's could probably be had this point, and I honestly believe that somone could touch high 11's at this point, but that's too far away for me to know for sure. Once all of these things are done, a whipple swap would dominate! You've got the foundation for it, everything is built, I would be confident running 25+ psi out of the whipple, which would be enough for mid 11's. This is how I plan on doing it, if I truely decide to go this far. Yes, you could benefit from a whipple long before that, in fact, you'd make great power by adding it to a stock car! If you took a whipple, 60lb injectors, HP Tuners, and threw it into a kit, I bet we'd see 280whp+ on an otherwise stock car! Sorry this post was so long.

 

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BTW I like the stripe kit on your car & was looking at the same thing.

 

thanks i got a dealership out my way to do it, after they did mine they said they like it so much that they did and 06 Laser Blue one. splink is his name on here, he bought it a couple months ago. Also they are painted on with a clear coat over top. Everyone who comments about them thinks that they are vinyl, and yes they were expensive lol.

 

yah thats what i was planning on doing i dont even have a header yet, i want to have do a full bolt ons and rebuilt internals before i did the swap, like i said i dont plan on doing this tomorrow, this is not for like another 2 years but when 2 years comes i want to know that there is gonna be a kit out so i can buy it.

 

I wasnt saying for a turbo lets see if he would make an adapter for the sc's

 

I dropped Steve an email to see if I can push a bit for him to rethink making a direct replacement for us & if it comes down to it I'll have him drop in here to view our thoughts

After all the same unit will fit the redline & I thought GM put a 2L SC in the HHR to.

 

no no i wasnt talking about your comment, i was talking abuot selfinflictions comment.

 

Im honestly suprised he dosent belive that there is a market for a smaller blower. Not only the LSJ cars, but I would imagine many other smaller motor cars would be intrested in having a smaller blower. Like a whipple powered F22 Accord would be nice for example, so im sure if he just made the blower, there would be a market for it. Im not really expecting a kit, but rather just a blower. I can get an adapter plate of some kind made from another source.

 

Problem is most honda owners opt for turbos. Also twin screw s/c's are a waste of money if you don't plan on being over 13 psi. Not exactly feasable on a Honda unless you drop the compression and really build the engine. Anything below 13 psi is within the efficiency range of a roots s/c which cost less. That's why Jackson Racing uses Eaton blowers for their Acura/Honda kits.

 

theres a ss/sc in miami that has the kenne bell swapped in it BTW. My friends with a stage 3+ srt4 raced him, and according to him the ss/sc owned that night

 

I see where your comming from, but my buddy with a turbo accord and me were talking. He said the reason many of his other honda buddies allways go with a turbo is because their market dosent have a big enough blower. Many of them build their motors for the turbo build, so it could easily be adapted to a Blower.

This was just an example, im sure some other cars may be intrested in a smaller blower tho. I guess you can tell that I would love to have a smaller whipple, so that way I can get one. I allways wanted to whipple my Regal, but had to get rid of it for overall costs, and multiple issues.

 

I too want the smaller Whipple. Like I said before I have been wanting to design an adapter plate for a few months now, but I don't think we have enough numbers to sway Whipple to produce it.

 

which kenne bell did he run? that sounds very interesting.... 2000 post by the way
woo hoo

 

Probably the 1.33L that they sell for the 4.0L Jeeps. I asked them about it and they said they will only sell it in the kit which is $3,800. But it does include 2 more laminova cores. Unfortuanately it doesn't have an adapter for the LSJ or tuning.

 

this is the whole reason why I have been thinking of going super turbo since the idea for the cobalt to have it came about. It has already been done. If a sc'er swap were done I would completely scrap the super turbo idea and stick with the sc'er. This for me is still a ways out warrenty wise but if given enough time and development I would hope someone would come up with something but with very little ideas going anywhere the interest in the sc'er is near a none existant plane with most ss owners

 

just wait a lil bit is all i have to say, whipple is like 30 min away from me, i hope something will come out from them

 

Maybe you should visit them and show them the potential that our cars have.

 

has anyone see that video with the mustang that sounds like an air rade horn when the supercharger kicks in? THATS SICK i think it was a whipple blower. i would love to pull up to someone and have them challenge me because then i bet it would scare the crap out of them if they hear that air rade horn kick in ill see if i can fine the video i think someone posted it.

 

Are you talking about the black cobra, it has like 630HP, if you are i think it has a kennebell on it.