Without LSD, why bother?
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not for 07... for 05+ 06 it was
this is inaccurate.. you can't believe everything you read in a turbo cobalt thread
LSD is about $800 and its called G85 too. The recaro seats arent available anymore so the G85 package is now just the LSD unless you find one made around August, which is VERY rare.
For color, i think you mean Sport Red Tintcoat.
07 is supposed to be the last year of the SS/SC. There will be no boosted 08 and a turbo will probably come in 09. Thats not a sure thing tho.
For color, i think you mean Sport Red Tintcoat.
07 is supposed to be the last year of the SS/SC. There will be no boosted 08 and a turbo will probably come in 09. Thats not a sure thing tho.
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Well, I have an 06 SS/SC with no options, and I really have no desire to get an LSD. When at the track, both wheels spin and racing on the street is not my cup of tea. I don't wish I had LSD, maybe the recaros though.
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I don't know about everyone else but I always research every available option on a car when im looking to make a purchase. Going in I knew I wanted every option (cept onstar and xm). Luckily there was a blue balt just the way I wanted sitting on the lot. Had it not had the Lsd I wouldn't have bought it. I feel the lsd helps even in straight line accel. For a performance car like this it should have been standard.
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I have posted this before but it seems time to do it again, for all those who believe LSD's don't work for straight line racing.
The Quaife torque biasing differential enables your car to accelerate quicker and corner faster. How?
By getting the power to the ground!
The Quaife Differential powers both drive wheels under nearly all conditions, instead of just one. With an ordinary open differential, standard on most cars, a lot of precious power is wasted during wheelspin under acceleration. This happens because the open differential shifts power to the wheel with less grip (along the path of least resistance). The Quaife, however, does just the opposite. It senses which wheel has the better grip, and biases the power to that wheel. It does this smoothly and constantly, and without ever completely removing power from the other wheel.
In drag-race style, straight-line acceleration runs, this results in a close to ideal 50/50 power split to both drive wheels, resulting in essentially twice the grip of an ordinary differential (they don't call open diffs "peglegs" for nothing).
In cornering, while accelerating out of a turn, the Quaife biases power to the outside wheel, reducing inside-wheel spin. This allows the driver to begin accelerating earlier, exiting the corner at a higher speed.
The Quaife also controls loss of traction when the front wheels are on slippery surfaces such as ice and snow or mud, providing the appropriate biased traction needed to overcome these adverse conditions. The Quaife Differential provides constant and infinitely variable drive. Power is transferred automatically without the use of normal friction pads or plates seen in other limited-slip designs.
The Quaife's unique design offers maximum traction, improves handling and steering, and puts the power where it is needed most. A definite advantage whether on the track or on the street.
The Quaife is extremely strong and durable and since the Quaife is gear operated, it has no plates or clutches that can wear out and need costly replacement.
The Quaife is great for street driving or racing. Racers don't have to put up with locking mechanisms or spools that created unwanted understeer under power, or in the case of front-drive cars, even tear the steering wheel out of their hands when cornering. Because it behaves like an open differential during ordinary driving, street drivers will have trouble telling it's there until pushing the car's limits.
The Quaife has been proven in everything from SCCA Rally to Formula 1. It provides autocrossers with such an advantage, it has become "required" equipment for a winning effort.
More and more auto manufacturers are specifying the Quaife ATB Differential as original equipment in their high performance models - for good reason - it works!
The Quaife ATB Differential comes with something else other's don't have:
a Limited Lifetime Warranty. This warranty applies even when raced ! >details
Go to Quaife Differential Application List, with the newest applications!
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Originally Posted by Quaife
The Quaife torque biasing differential enables your car to accelerate quicker and corner faster. How?
By getting the power to the ground!
The Quaife Differential powers both drive wheels under nearly all conditions, instead of just one. With an ordinary open differential, standard on most cars, a lot of precious power is wasted during wheelspin under acceleration. This happens because the open differential shifts power to the wheel with less grip (along the path of least resistance). The Quaife, however, does just the opposite. It senses which wheel has the better grip, and biases the power to that wheel. It does this smoothly and constantly, and without ever completely removing power from the other wheel.
In drag-race style, straight-line acceleration runs, this results in a close to ideal 50/50 power split to both drive wheels, resulting in essentially twice the grip of an ordinary differential (they don't call open diffs "peglegs" for nothing).
In cornering, while accelerating out of a turn, the Quaife biases power to the outside wheel, reducing inside-wheel spin. This allows the driver to begin accelerating earlier, exiting the corner at a higher speed.
The Quaife also controls loss of traction when the front wheels are on slippery surfaces such as ice and snow or mud, providing the appropriate biased traction needed to overcome these adverse conditions. The Quaife Differential provides constant and infinitely variable drive. Power is transferred automatically without the use of normal friction pads or plates seen in other limited-slip designs.
The Quaife's unique design offers maximum traction, improves handling and steering, and puts the power where it is needed most. A definite advantage whether on the track or on the street.
The Quaife is extremely strong and durable and since the Quaife is gear operated, it has no plates or clutches that can wear out and need costly replacement.
The Quaife is great for street driving or racing. Racers don't have to put up with locking mechanisms or spools that created unwanted understeer under power, or in the case of front-drive cars, even tear the steering wheel out of their hands when cornering. Because it behaves like an open differential during ordinary driving, street drivers will have trouble telling it's there until pushing the car's limits.
The Quaife has been proven in everything from SCCA Rally to Formula 1. It provides autocrossers with such an advantage, it has become "required" equipment for a winning effort.
More and more auto manufacturers are specifying the Quaife ATB Differential as original equipment in their high performance models - for good reason - it works!
The Quaife ATB Differential comes with something else other's don't have:
a Limited Lifetime Warranty. This warranty applies even when raced ! >details
Go to Quaife Differential Application List, with the newest applications!
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Stating that the LSD will give you double the grip is a sales pitch. There is no way that when you are running around 250hp an LSD will double your traction. If that were the case there would be a huge difference in track numbers and opinions. Does it improve performance, of course, but primarily exiting corners. If you are running a lot of power then you will start to see sizable differences in acceleration.
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Really some of your oppinions are very missguiding. For those who have said I don't have an LSD it's a waste of money, they make them fore a reason. Let me ask have you ever driven one w/ an LSD. Once you start adding power the diferecne grows even greater.
"They dont help in handeling" You have got to be kidding me, when we race and I'm getting sucked trough a turn and your spinning your inner tire you will see how very much they help handeling.
"the recaros aren't as good/ stylish" Thats your opinion, but they way most see is that the name recaro on the seat, and the simplicity and back huggin design of the seat is much more stylish than the ricey red interior.
For the origional poster though, get you hands behind the wheel of a G85 equipped car. Drive the ***** off it, then do the same in you car. If in the end you can't seem to tell a difference, or don't care for the different feeling don't bother getting it, simple as that.
"They dont help in handeling" You have got to be kidding me, when we race and I'm getting sucked trough a turn and your spinning your inner tire you will see how very much they help handeling.
"the recaros aren't as good/ stylish" Thats your opinion, but they way most see is that the name recaro on the seat, and the simplicity and back huggin design of the seat is much more stylish than the ricey red interior.
For the origional poster though, get you hands behind the wheel of a G85 equipped car. Drive the ***** off it, then do the same in you car. If in the end you can't seem to tell a difference, or don't care for the different feeling don't bother getting it, simple as that.
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I've driven both standard and LSD SSs and ION RLs, and I could not tell hardly any difference off the line between the two. For those that think it makes a big deal in drag racing, you're clueless. Aren't the current fastest LSJs out there non-LSDs anyways? The only thing it help out with is in the curves.
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With both tires spinning because of crappy Pirelli rubber, you won't see a difference. Mount some DR's and then try it. Fast06 (Rob) had the LSD and last I checked he ran the second fastest in the 1/4 list of 12.8x.
I quit. This thread is ending up stupid. Rod, myself and a few other have tried to tell you the bennefits. I have ridden in an LSD Cobalt and driven my non-LSD Cobalt and there is a major difference, especially when accelerating out of a turn. Ask Blown 4-banger what happened when I tried to accelerate 1/2-3/4 throttle through a turn in my stock SS compared to how his full bolt-on SS reacted at full throttle through a turn.
I quit. This thread is ending up stupid. Rod, myself and a few other have tried to tell you the bennefits. I have ridden in an LSD Cobalt and driven my non-LSD Cobalt and there is a major difference, especially when accelerating out of a turn. Ask Blown 4-banger what happened when I tried to accelerate 1/2-3/4 throttle through a turn in my stock SS compared to how his full bolt-on SS reacted at full throttle through a turn.
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G85 with recaros and lsd WAS a package, but they stopped offering it. People missed out with this package after early 2007.
I remember before I had my ss, I read through posts after posts saying you will regret not getting the g85 w/ recaros. I thought about it, and decided it was necessary, and I probably would be pissed in the long run. I'm damn happy I got it though with the recaros.
Really it's not that big of a deal to most people though. You have a 2.0 Supercharged engine like the everyone else. They are beautiful cars and fun to drive.
I remember before I had my ss, I read through posts after posts saying you will regret not getting the g85 w/ recaros. I thought about it, and decided it was necessary, and I probably would be pissed in the long run. I'm damn happy I got it though with the recaros.
Really it's not that big of a deal to most people though. You have a 2.0 Supercharged engine like the everyone else. They are beautiful cars and fun to drive.
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I heard someone say even without LSD you will lay down 2 marks because power is lay at both wheels on launch
I myself dont have Recaros either..Didnt like them and way over priced , I have inlays , I checked my sticker and dont have LSD
So my guess is your Balt doesnt either if you dont have Recaros
But someone can correct me if im wrong.
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Really some of your oppinions are very missguiding. For those who have said I don't have an LSD it's a waste of money, they make them fore a reason. Let me ask have you ever driven one w/ an LSD. Once you start adding power the diferecne grows even greater.
"They dont help in handeling" You have got to be kidding me, when we race and I'm getting sucked trough a turn and your spinning your inner tire you will see how very much they help handeling.
"the recaros aren't as good/ stylish" Thats your opinion, but they way most see is that the name recaro on the seat, and the simplicity and back huggin design of the seat is much more stylish than the ricey red interior.
For the origional poster though, get you hands behind the wheel of a G85 equipped car. Drive the ***** off it, then do the same in you car. If in the end you can't seem to tell a difference, or don't care for the different feeling don't bother getting it, simple as that.
"They dont help in handeling" You have got to be kidding me, when we race and I'm getting sucked trough a turn and your spinning your inner tire you will see how very much they help handeling.
"the recaros aren't as good/ stylish" Thats your opinion, but they way most see is that the name recaro on the seat, and the simplicity and back huggin design of the seat is much more stylish than the ricey red interior.
For the origional poster though, get you hands behind the wheel of a G85 equipped car. Drive the ***** off it, then do the same in you car. If in the end you can't seem to tell a difference, or don't care for the different feeling don't bother getting it, simple as that.
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No LSD here checked sticker
I heard someone say even without LSD you will lay down 2 marks because power is lay at both wheels on launch
I myself dont have Recaros either..Didnt like them and way over priced , I have inlays , I checked my sticker and dont have LSD
So my guess is your Balt doesnt either if you dont have Recaros
But someone can correct me if im wrong.
NICE BURNOUT!!! by the way
I heard someone say even without LSD you will lay down 2 marks because power is lay at both wheels on launch
I myself dont have Recaros either..Didnt like them and way over priced , I have inlays , I checked my sticker and dont have LSD
So my guess is your Balt doesnt either if you dont have Recaros
But someone can correct me if im wrong.
NICE BURNOUT!!! by the way
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seems there are way to many threads about what a lsd does and if its useful or not. So ive made this thread to try to explain it to everyone and make it easy to understand.
This isnt my writing, im taking this information from the website howstuffworks.com
What is a differential?
Open Differential
Limited Slip Differential
Cliff Notes by -Jayson-
So what does this all mean? If both your tires get similar traction then you shouldnt get the one wheel peel. In an non LSD transmission both tires should peel out with the exact same amount of torque. If your getting one wheel peels, then both your wheels arent getting the same amount of traction. Because even though one wheel is spinning and the other isnt, both wheels are getting the same amount of power. This might confuse people cause they see cars spinning one tire in the snow, well yes it may appear the one wheel is getting more power, in reality its getting the same amount of power as the other wheel, just the power is so weak, it cant cause the other tire to move/spin. So if one tire requires 80 lbs/ft torque to spin, then the other tire will get 80 lbs/ft torque to use. This puts a combineb 160 lbs/ft torque to the ground. So if your on snow and it only takes 10lbs/ft torque to spin the tire then the other wheel is only getting 10 lbs/ft torque , but that might not be enough lbs/ft torque to move the wheel.
Now in a LSD based transmission each wheel has independent control of how much power it can put to the ground before it begins to slip. When one wheel starts to spin, instead of the other wheel being limited to amount of power in the spinning wheel, its free to use as much power as it can before it starts to spin. So each wheel can have different amounts of power put to the ground. One wheel might require 120lbs/ft torque to spin and the other only 80lbs/ft torque . So if both tires are spinning, one is spinning with 120lbs/ft torque and the other is spinning with 80 lbs/ft torque . Putting a combined power of 200 lbs/ft torque to the ground.
So basically in drag racing terms a limited slip differential is only helpful when traction is an issue. If your tires are good and you setup is solid, you should be able to launch the car without much wheel spin, thus negating the need for a LSD. But if your power becomes to much and launching the car easily causes wheel spin, a LSD is a helpful way to control the spinning tire and apply the power more efficiently to the ground.
In cornering aspects LSD really make a difference. FWD cars have alot of understeer, this is the tendency of a car to be subjected to centrifigul force. Centrifigul forces is that all moving objects want to travel in a straight line, so if an object is moving through a turn, at any instance of that turn, gravity its pushing to the outside of a turn. This makes it very easy to lose traction and spin a tire. Now in a NON LSD transmission, once the point of gravity causes the wheels to lose traction and get pulled to outside of the turn, the lbs/ft torque to the wheels is once again limited by the wheel that is slipping. But in a LSD based trasmission the lbs/ft torque applied to both wheels is independent, so one wheel can continue to put more power to the ground untill the point at which it loses traction.
I hope you now have a decent understand of Limited Slip Differntials
This isnt my writing, im taking this information from the website howstuffworks.com
What is a differential?
The differential has three jobs:
To aim the engine power at the wheels
To act as the final gear reduction in the vehicle, slowing the rotational speed of the transmission one final time before it hits the wheels
To transmit the power to the wheels while allowing them to rotate at different speeds (This is the one that earned the differential its name.)
In this article, you'll learn why your car needs a differential, how it works and what its shortcomings are. We'll also look at several types of positraction, also known as limited slip differentials.
Why You Need a Differential
Car wheels spin at different speeds, especially when turning. Each wheel travels a different distance through a turn, and that the inside wheels travel a shorter distance than the outside wheels. Since speed is equal to the distance traveled divided by the time it takes to go that distance, the wheels that travel a shorter distance travel at a lower speed. Also note that the front wheels travel a different distance than the rear wheels.
For the non-driven wheels on your car -- the front wheels on a rear-wheel drive car, the back wheels on a front-wheel drive car -- this is not an issue. There is no connection between them, so they spin independently. But the driven wheels are linked together so that a single engine and transmission can turn both wheels. If your car did not have a differential, the wheels would have to be locked together, forced to spin at the same speed. This would make turning difficult and hard on your car: For the car to be able to turn, one tire would have to slip. With modern tires and concrete roads, a great deal of force is required to make a tire slip. That force would have to be transmitted through the axle from one wheel to another, putting a heavy strain on the axle components.
To aim the engine power at the wheels
To act as the final gear reduction in the vehicle, slowing the rotational speed of the transmission one final time before it hits the wheels
To transmit the power to the wheels while allowing them to rotate at different speeds (This is the one that earned the differential its name.)
In this article, you'll learn why your car needs a differential, how it works and what its shortcomings are. We'll also look at several types of positraction, also known as limited slip differentials.
Why You Need a Differential
Car wheels spin at different speeds, especially when turning. Each wheel travels a different distance through a turn, and that the inside wheels travel a shorter distance than the outside wheels. Since speed is equal to the distance traveled divided by the time it takes to go that distance, the wheels that travel a shorter distance travel at a lower speed. Also note that the front wheels travel a different distance than the rear wheels.
For the non-driven wheels on your car -- the front wheels on a rear-wheel drive car, the back wheels on a front-wheel drive car -- this is not an issue. There is no connection between them, so they spin independently. But the driven wheels are linked together so that a single engine and transmission can turn both wheels. If your car did not have a differential, the wheels would have to be locked together, forced to spin at the same speed. This would make turning difficult and hard on your car: For the car to be able to turn, one tire would have to slip. With modern tires and concrete roads, a great deal of force is required to make a tire slip. That force would have to be transmitted through the axle from one wheel to another, putting a heavy strain on the axle components.
Open Differential
The open differential always applies the same amount of torque to each wheel. There are two factors that determine how much torque can be applied to the wheels: equipment and traction. In dry conditions, when there is plenty of traction, the amount of torque applied to the wheels is limited by the engine and gearing; in a low traction situation, such as when driving on ice, the amount of torque is limited to the greatest amount that will not cause a wheel to slip under those conditions. So, even though a car may be able to produce more torque, there needs to be enough traction to transmit that torque to the ground. If you give the car more gas after the wheels start to slip, the wheels will just spin faster.
On Thin Ice
If you've ever driven on ice, you may know of a trick that makes acceleration easier: If you start out in second gear, or even third gear, instead of first, because of the gearing in the transmission you will have less torque available to the wheels. This will make it easier to accelerate without spinning the wheels.
Now what happens if one of the drive wheels has good traction, and the other one is on ice? This is where the problem with open differentials comes in.
Remember that the open differential always applies the same torque to both wheels, and the maximum amount of torque is limited to the greatest amount that will not make the wheels slip. It doesn't take much torque to make a tire slip on ice. And when the wheel with good traction is only getting the very small amount of torque that can be applied to the wheel with less traction, your car isn't going to move very much.
On Thin Ice
If you've ever driven on ice, you may know of a trick that makes acceleration easier: If you start out in second gear, or even third gear, instead of first, because of the gearing in the transmission you will have less torque available to the wheels. This will make it easier to accelerate without spinning the wheels.
Now what happens if one of the drive wheels has good traction, and the other one is on ice? This is where the problem with open differentials comes in.
Remember that the open differential always applies the same torque to both wheels, and the maximum amount of torque is limited to the greatest amount that will not make the wheels slip. It doesn't take much torque to make a tire slip on ice. And when the wheel with good traction is only getting the very small amount of torque that can be applied to the wheel with less traction, your car isn't going to move very much.
LSD has all of the same components as an open differential, but it adds a spring pack and a set of clutches. Some of these have a cone clutch that is just like the synchronizers in a manual transmission.
The spring pack pushes the side gears against the clutches, which are attached to the cage. Both side gears spin with the cage when both wheels are moving at the same speed, and the clutches aren't really needed -- the only time the clutches step in is when something happens to make one wheel spin faster than the other, as in a turn. The clutches fight this behavior, wanting both wheels to go the same speed. If one wheel wants to spin faster than the other, it must first overpower the clutch. The stiffness of the springs combined with the friction of the clutch determine how much torque it takes to overpower it.
Getting back to the situation in which one drive wheel is on the ice and the other one has good traction: With this limited slip differential, even though the wheel on the ice is not able to transmit much torque to the ground, the other wheel will still get the torque it needs to move. The torque supplied to the wheel not on the ice is equal to the amount of torque it takes to overpower the clutches. The result is that you can move forward, although still not with the full power of your car.
The spring pack pushes the side gears against the clutches, which are attached to the cage. Both side gears spin with the cage when both wheels are moving at the same speed, and the clutches aren't really needed -- the only time the clutches step in is when something happens to make one wheel spin faster than the other, as in a turn. The clutches fight this behavior, wanting both wheels to go the same speed. If one wheel wants to spin faster than the other, it must first overpower the clutch. The stiffness of the springs combined with the friction of the clutch determine how much torque it takes to overpower it.
Getting back to the situation in which one drive wheel is on the ice and the other one has good traction: With this limited slip differential, even though the wheel on the ice is not able to transmit much torque to the ground, the other wheel will still get the torque it needs to move. The torque supplied to the wheel not on the ice is equal to the amount of torque it takes to overpower the clutches. The result is that you can move forward, although still not with the full power of your car.
So what does this all mean? If both your tires get similar traction then you shouldnt get the one wheel peel. In an non LSD transmission both tires should peel out with the exact same amount of torque. If your getting one wheel peels, then both your wheels arent getting the same amount of traction. Because even though one wheel is spinning and the other isnt, both wheels are getting the same amount of power. This might confuse people cause they see cars spinning one tire in the snow, well yes it may appear the one wheel is getting more power, in reality its getting the same amount of power as the other wheel, just the power is so weak, it cant cause the other tire to move/spin. So if one tire requires 80 lbs/ft torque to spin, then the other tire will get 80 lbs/ft torque to use. This puts a combineb 160 lbs/ft torque to the ground. So if your on snow and it only takes 10lbs/ft torque to spin the tire then the other wheel is only getting 10 lbs/ft torque , but that might not be enough lbs/ft torque to move the wheel.
Now in a LSD based transmission each wheel has independent control of how much power it can put to the ground before it begins to slip. When one wheel starts to spin, instead of the other wheel being limited to amount of power in the spinning wheel, its free to use as much power as it can before it starts to spin. So each wheel can have different amounts of power put to the ground. One wheel might require 120lbs/ft torque to spin and the other only 80lbs/ft torque . So if both tires are spinning, one is spinning with 120lbs/ft torque and the other is spinning with 80 lbs/ft torque . Putting a combined power of 200 lbs/ft torque to the ground.
So basically in drag racing terms a limited slip differential is only helpful when traction is an issue. If your tires are good and you setup is solid, you should be able to launch the car without much wheel spin, thus negating the need for a LSD. But if your power becomes to much and launching the car easily causes wheel spin, a LSD is a helpful way to control the spinning tire and apply the power more efficiently to the ground.
In cornering aspects LSD really make a difference. FWD cars have alot of understeer, this is the tendency of a car to be subjected to centrifigul force. Centrifigul forces is that all moving objects want to travel in a straight line, so if an object is moving through a turn, at any instance of that turn, gravity its pushing to the outside of a turn. This makes it very easy to lose traction and spin a tire. Now in a NON LSD transmission, once the point of gravity causes the wheels to lose traction and get pulled to outside of the turn, the lbs/ft torque to the wheels is once again limited by the wheel that is slipping. But in a LSD based trasmission the lbs/ft torque applied to both wheels is independent, so one wheel can continue to put more power to the ground untill the point at which it loses traction.
I hope you now have a decent understand of Limited Slip Differntials
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Twice the grip? LOL!
I've driven both standard and LSD SSs and ION RLs, and I could not tell hardly any difference off the line between the two. For those that think it makes a big deal in drag racing, you're clueless. Aren't the current fastest LSJs out there non-LSDs anyways? The only thing it help out with is in the curves.
I've driven both standard and LSD SSs and ION RLs, and I could not tell hardly any difference off the line between the two. For those that think it makes a big deal in drag racing, you're clueless. Aren't the current fastest LSJs out there non-LSDs anyways? The only thing it help out with is in the curves.
Who is going to pull off the line better. LSD vs Non lsd who's going to pull off the line better? Just think about it.
It's like getting wider tires. Why do people get wider tires for a race car why do people get et streets and slicks?
The answer is more traction. So what give you better traction? 1 tire spinning or 2 tires spinning? Come on it is a very simple thing.
Now in curves i do agree, Lsd is much better then Non lsd.
I honestly hate having non lsd in the ion redline. I hate how it pulls to the right. Even when dropping it into second from a roll it still pulls to the right.
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Twice the grip? LOL!
I've driven both standard and LSD SSs and ION RLs, and I could not tell hardly any difference off the line between the two. For those that think it makes a big deal in drag racing, you're clueless. Aren't the current fastest LSJs out there non-LSDs anyways? The only thing it help out with is in the curves.
I've driven both standard and LSD SSs and ION RLs, and I could not tell hardly any difference off the line between the two. For those that think it makes a big deal in drag racing, you're clueless. Aren't the current fastest LSJs out there non-LSDs anyways? The only thing it help out with is in the curves.
Who is going to pull off the line better? LSD vs Non lsd, who's going to pull off the line better? Just think about it.
It's like getting wider tires. Why do people get wider tires for a race car why do people get et streets and slicks?
The answer is more traction. So what give you better traction? 1 tire spinning or 2 tires spinning? Come on it is a very simple thing.
Now in curves i do agree, Lsd is much better then Non lsd.
I honestly hate having non lsd in the ion redline. I hate how it pulls to the right. Even when dropping it into second from a roll it still pulls to the right.
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Really some of your oppinions are very missguiding. For those who have said I don't have an LSD it's a waste of money, they make them fore a reason. Let me ask have you ever driven one w/ an LSD. Once you start adding power the diferecne grows even greater.
"They dont help in handeling" You have got to be kidding me, when we race and I'm getting sucked trough a turn and your spinning your inner tire you will see how very much they help handeling.
"the recaros aren't as good/ stylish" Thats your opinion, but they way most see is that the name recaro on the seat, and the simplicity and back huggin design of the seat is much more stylish than the ricey red interior.
For the origional poster though, get you hands behind the wheel of a G85 equipped car. Drive the ***** off it, then do the same in you car. If in the end you can't seem to tell a difference, or don't care for the different feeling don't bother getting it, simple as that.
"They dont help in handeling" You have got to be kidding me, when we race and I'm getting sucked trough a turn and your spinning your inner tire you will see how very much they help handeling.
"the recaros aren't as good/ stylish" Thats your opinion, but they way most see is that the name recaro on the seat, and the simplicity and back huggin design of the seat is much more stylish than the ricey red interior.
For the origional poster though, get you hands behind the wheel of a G85 equipped car. Drive the ***** off it, then do the same in you car. If in the end you can't seem to tell a difference, or don't care for the different feeling don't bother getting it, simple as that.
I happen to have the Red\Black myself
In my opinion i think the insert seats look much better and didnt have to pay the extra money for those over priced Recaros when you can buy racing seats if you perfer them for much cheaper than the Recaros.
I think the insert seats give the Cobalts interia a much better look , and people at car shows dig the look and get more compliments on them.
I know you have your opinion and probley have the Recaros your self but calling it RICEY is knocking us other Cobalt owner with Inserts down, not everyone wanted to pay the price for the Recaros and LSD (G85) just remember we have Cobalt SS\Sc too.
And love our cars just as much as you may , to me thats like knocking down the other Cobalt SS\NA and LS as well
What happens if someone with a Harley came up to you and said your bike is RICE??
Buy a Harley!!!!
Because not everyone can buy a Harley or doesnt like Harleys , Kinda the same thing.
No hard feelings, Just wanted to get that out
Last edited by Vetteman-sssc; Mar 16, 2007 at 08:01 PM.
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The only people that say LSD is not needed are the people trying to justify their own reason for buying the cheaper car.
If you were looking for cheaper.. then yes.. LSD is not needed
However, if your talking about performance.. I dont understand how you can say its not benefical!!!!
Seriously.. some people have to justify thier existance by saying what they have is best, no matter what they have!!
Facts are facts... let it go!
If you want the calculations to prove it.. just ask
If you were looking for cheaper.. then yes.. LSD is not needed
However, if your talking about performance.. I dont understand how you can say its not benefical!!!!
Seriously.. some people have to justify thier existance by saying what they have is best, no matter what they have!!
Facts are facts... let it go!
If you want the calculations to prove it.. just ask
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The only people that say LSD is not needed are the people trying to justify their own reason for buying the cheaper car.
If you were looking for cheaper.. then yes.. LSD is not needed
However, if your talking about performance.. I dont understand how you can say its not benefical!!!!
Seriously.. some people have to justify thier existance by saying what they have is best, no matter what they have!!
Facts are facts... let it go!
If you want the calculations to prove it.. just ask
If you were looking for cheaper.. then yes.. LSD is not needed
However, if your talking about performance.. I dont understand how you can say its not benefical!!!!
Seriously.. some people have to justify thier existance by saying what they have is best, no matter what they have!!
Facts are facts... let it go!
If you want the calculations to prove it.. just ask
I myself dont plan to race my Cobalt , i bought it because its a nice car to have (And Love Chevys and was alway hoping chevy would get into the TUNER market) so LSD to me was a waste and didnt like the recaros.
But NO cobalt SS\SC is cheap we all paided good money for them either way.
P.s Nice Camaro i owned 2 myself before i bought the Vette " alway wanted a Vette" so bye bye camaro
Last edited by Vetteman-sssc; Mar 16, 2007 at 08:25 PM.
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They stopped offering the Recaro seats for 07, which is how I have a g85 option package with appointed leather seats (that I personally like better anyway - and they're heated!)