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Another potential 2.2 turbo build

Old Feb 14, 2013 | 04:59 PM
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Another potential 2.2 turbo build

Well I'm usually all about being conservative buts coworker at my new workplace has convinced me to go ahead and runs some boost on my 05 base model.

Set up I'm probably going to go with:
Already have a 2004 Saab 93 turbo and manifold (still waiting on input for turbo back exhaust)
Probably ss/tc injectors
Custom fabbed piping (2.5" piping into intercooler and 3" into intake mani)
Low boost around 6-8psi

What I'm unsure of at this point is how I'd want to tune it.
I do a lot of highway driving on i74 between Cincinnati and Indianapolis so fuel efficiency is a must lol.

Also a little concerned how my clutch will hold up. It's oem and has about 10k on it and I'm pretty much expecting it to slip in 5th sometimes. When the time comes I'll throw a stage 1 or 2 in there.

Does any one know what kind of life I could get out of the engine if its done right and not constantly beat on?

Any input appreciated thanks CSS family
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 05:03 PM
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I apologize for all grammar errors auto correct can be a b*tch
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 05:05 PM
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Good luck with the ss/tc injectors

And my brother ran that turbo on 15psi on the same motor and barely made over 210hp
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 05:59 PM
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I'm not necessarily looking for stupid power just a few smiles lol. TC injectors were just an assumption. I haven't done much homework on this yet it was just an idea since we had the low meage turbo laying around. Kinda a test fail type of thing
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 06:14 PM
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Well the SS/TC has direct injection, so no SS/TC injectors. The stock SS/SC might flow enough but the connector is different.

There is a few stickies with all the information as far as building goes. The life of your engine with boost is hard to say, some have great luck and others well rebuild their engines with forged internals.
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 11:24 PM
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I figured I wouldn't be able to get a guesstimate on my engine's life. But I'm leaning towards 42# injectors because that seems to be most common. ultimately I want to know how I can gain access to tuning the setup. I work with a guy that has pulled all kinds of magic over the years but hasn't done much with 2.2's. If its a free tune I'm not going to complain, like I said I'm not looking for max power just some fuzzy feelings and a smile or two, he's even going to let me get my hands on what really goes in to tuning for boost. This is more so a learning experience for me rather than gaining the fastest times at the track.
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Old Feb 15, 2013 | 06:10 AM
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Well bad news in the tuning, your 05 isnt supported by HPTuners, and you'll have to go with Trifecta Tuning which doesnt allow you to tweek the tune.
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Old Feb 15, 2013 | 04:54 PM
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i dont think you guys are understanding the deal im getting on this setup. i wouldnt just waste money on a light boost build but i cant pass this up. im getting a ton of parts from a buddy who works for saab, subaru, vw in indianapolis. (turbo, manifold, return lines, down pipe, and injectors) for next to nothing so why not play around a little bit? he's grabbing the injectors for me just because they're just laying around i still dont know if they're high impedence or low. Or if they're at all compatible but its worth finding out. My only concern at this point is finding a soruce to get access to tuning it. i can get a road/dyno tune for free from work but it doesnt seem that theres any way i can gain access to the ecu. this is what i really need some input on. worst case scenerio i just grab up a trifecta can. but im still unclear as to how that works also.

Please anyone who has boosted an 05 2.2 help !!
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Old Feb 15, 2013 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lilnev11
i dont think you guys are understanding the deal im getting on this setup. i wouldnt just waste money on a light boost build but i cant pass this up. im getting a ton of parts from a buddy who works for saab, subaru, vw in indianapolis. (turbo, manifold, return lines, down pipe, and injectors) for next to nothing so why not play around a little bit? he's grabbing the injectors for me just because they're just laying around i still dont know if they're high impedence or low. Or if they're at all compatible but its worth finding out. My only concern at this point is finding a soruce to get access to tuning it. i can get a road/dyno tune for free from work but it doesnt seem that theres any way i can gain access to the ecu. this is what i really need some input on. worst case scenerio i just grab up a trifecta can. but im still unclear as to how that works also.

Please anyone who has boosted an 05 2.2 help !!
I dont think you understand, the SS/TC injectors will not work end of story (not a high/low impedance difference) your car does not support direct injection, I can't even begin to think of the nightmare it would be to try figure out the install and tuning of the SS/TC injectors on a 2.2l (would cost a ridiculous amount of money and time for no gain). Just buy 42s from zzp.

You have to go trifecta, its the only tuning software supported for your model year, it works like this, you buy said "canned" tune, tune and cable are shipped to you, install turbo kit, load tune, start car data log (dyno or road) send log files to Vince at trifecta (only guy that does tunes for trifecta) he makes adjustments sends new tune, load, log, send repeat till the tune is worked out (at Vince's discretion).
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Old Feb 15, 2013 | 09:14 PM
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I'm talking about saab injectors I didn't know I was getting them when I first posted. I now know they won't work on the 2.2 lol sorry for the misconception but that tune makes sense now I was searching all over for how it worked ha. How much does that usually run for 2.2's?
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Old Feb 16, 2013 | 12:34 PM
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Tuning will have to be done through Trifecta.

Find a K04 from a SS/TC.

42# wont get you far. I would do 60#
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Old Feb 16, 2013 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by nhanson
Tuning will have to be done through Trifecta.

Find a K04 from a SS/TC.

42# wont get you far. I would do 60#
If he's stayin on stock internals 42s will be enough, but 60s will give him more room for future power, just depends on how far he wants to push it.
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Old Feb 16, 2013 | 11:13 PM
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Just finished a Turbo build on buddy's 2.4. put 60's on. and for some reason he used a K04. but she fired up right first time. Trifecta tuned. We just need to change MAP sensors.
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Old Feb 16, 2013 | 11:19 PM
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Sorry. I meant to have a point on this. BUY A KIT. He spent almost as much as a kit. and it really wasn't worth the headache for a DIY. Custom charge pipes are super expensive. Also. Buy yourself some heat wrap and wrap all the exhaust parts down the the downpipe. the manifold and O2 housing get rediculously hot.
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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by blackonblack07
If he's stayin on stock internals 42s will be enough, but 60s will give him more room for future power, just depends on how far he wants to push it.
42s run out too quick. Need 60s

I have 60s
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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 01:17 PM
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Any one have some of these 60's up for sale? But running on such low boost should I really jump up in # so much?
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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 01:43 PM
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better safe than sorry. they're not that expensive imo
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Old Feb 19, 2013 | 06:43 PM
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i already have both the intake and exhaust mani, turbo, oil and water lines, and dp. Spent next to nothing on them so i probably wont be spending much more than another 400-500 on tuning, intercooler and injectors. worst comes to worst i'll just resell the whole kit if i decide not to follow through with it.
I've talked to trifecta they gave me a basic understanding of how things work and seeing as thats my only option for spot on tuning that's what im going to go with, they also recommended i used 60's so for me to get the ball rolling here i have to find some 60's and an IC w/ piping or just fab up my own
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