The 2.4 has all wheel disk, vvti, swet rims etc etc..

 

thats what i was screaming. .6 from just an intake throws up a BS flag. and to the guy who said the diff between the 2.2 and the ss/sc is huge id have to say no chit. its amazing what around 40%hp difference will do huh.

 

Not to forget the torque difference

 

heck yeah any time

 

ok well i have a little more than an intake but not much my car is a month old so i havent been able to do much to it but little stuff if i get a chance tonight ill post my times up on here to shut all of you up

 

and again the 2.2 2.4 and 2.0 wars begin!

 

Where are you from and what track do you go to? I've been lookin to get to a 1/4 track maybe we can do it there.

 

Lets get ready to ruuuuummmbbbllleee

 

Yeah, here we go again...

 

i live in valpo i go to us 41 drag strip.......

 

yeah man anytime umm my buddy brian who owns and runs torqueforward.com has car meets at his house alot so if you live kinda close you should come to one of those we usually race cruise drink beer ya know all that stuff plus you can get his products there and he will install them for ya .... let me know man ill tell you when the next get together is

 

where's us 41 at? Thats way up north but i might be down for making a trip up there.

 

yeah man let me know i lined up another race with my buddy he has a fully stripped 95 civic hb with a sohc vetc and few mods so we will see i beat him when my car was stock from a dig once and head to head once so with my car modded im gonna **** on that thing hell if u come up you can too

 

I'm going to chime in.

I own a 2.2 Auto, it's a stock sedan. I've driven a 2.4 VVT Auto (Stock Sedan). Both have identical features. The 2.4 weighed 127lbs net more then the 2.2 (Cat Scales) The only way the 2.4 creates power is after 4k VVT Kicks in. It's a slug otherwise down low. The 2.2 makes power between 2,200 RPM and 4,000 RPM. Big difference in when these cars make good power.

Now giving the fact I've seen both cars race at the track the times and 60fters are identical. The 2.4 only edged out the 2.2 in mph and a hair over the 1/8th. Quarter mile drag the 2.4 only beat the 2.2 by .15 of a second. Seems pretty small but driver error was eliminated with them being automatics because if it was sticks one could be better driver then another. The factor hence has been eliminated.

Straight facts, the 2.4 (in auto) was chasing the 2.2 (Auto) down the track more then half the time until it was making useable power up high.

Stock for Stock 2.2 = better down low 2.4 = better up top.

Difference in quarter mile times .15, difference in mph only 2-3mph. Remember this is autos. It gives a fair comparison because both motors are limited to being controlled not by a human but rather the computer (shift points). Human error in driving has been eliminated.

Food Chain Performance

2.0 > 2.4 > 2.2

 

Interesting but people with the 2.4L auto have gotten 15.7 to 15.8 on this board.

What the best et for a stock auto 2.2?? Not in the 15's thats foir sure.

 

I've seen 2.2 Autos run bone stock a 15.9 and one who got an insane 15.6 on a 5 speed stick bone stock with a good 60'ft

2.2's are not to be under-estimated. Just because the 2.4 has slighly more displacement and VVT doesn't mean it's perfect.

I respect all three ecotec motors. They all have strengths and weaknesses.

 

i agree they are a 15 sec car in the right hands i couldnt hit 15's i mine at first but i have now and plan on getting lower what ive noticed is my 2.2 likes to bog off the line once i figure out how to avoid that i should have alot better times btw mine was with intake only

 

I am still waiting to see a 2.2L run at my track. I am not underestimating anything, or saying the 2.4L is perfect--the 2.2L is a good engine --but the 2.4L has more hp and a wider powerband--0.15 sec faster is just nonsense, IMO.

Two tiny mods and I am trapping 91mph---at 3490 ft above sea-level. I have never seen a time slip posted on here of a 2.2L auto in the 15's

Originaly I was planing on just gettting a 2.2L---but after test driving the 2.4L, I had to have it because the was noticeably faster, handles very good ect.

If some one in Calgary would show up, I'll race him and I'll gladly post results.

 

VVT is supposed to improve high and low end torque along with fuel economy by 4 to 8%.

GM Powertrain also plots the 2.4 VVT as having the torque advantage at all rpm ranges.

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en...g%20trans.html

That being said, a fully loaded 2.4 auto and a stripper 2.2 auto would probably be close.

One thing is for sure, our 2.2 auto feels a lot more powerful now with 8,000 kms on it than it did new. I hope it works out the same way with mine!

 

The nature of the beast. I would be happy to take my 2.2 Sedan back to the track and get a 15.9 run. It's possible because I've seen it happen but the guy cut a 2.0 60'fter with a crazy launch on sticker tires (not drags though).

 

then why did i race my friend with a fully loaded ls coupe auto 2.2 and me in my fully loaded 2.4 auto coupe have such a big time difference and i never saw his tailights. 2.2 16.3 at best me 15.8 at best

 

thats a pretty close race man...I don't think thats helping the 2.4's case

in any event yes the 2.4 is faster, there really is no need in arguing about it. By how much is the true question.

I'm pretty confident that I could beat a 2.4 auto and I think it'd be a drivers race with the 5 speed 2.4 with the advantage to them but I'm not stock either (I/H/E).

 

07 Pontiac G5 2.4 GT comes with 3.91 final drive. 07 SS 2.4 still has 3.63.

 

actually with a higher gear ratio, your wheels will spin the same amount at higher rpm's. The idea of this is, you can reach peak power faster because you rev higher. Higher gear ratios will give you more torque to the wheels (not at the crank) It can move your wheels more easily because your engine wont have to work as hard. A lower gear ratio turns the wheels more at the same rpm which makes you have a higher top speed. a lower gear ratio is also known as taller gears. It may not seem like it makes sense, but if you dont understand you will some day. For example- one of my friends at school has the same car as me with 4.10 gears. I have the stock 3.35. He rapes me from a dig and runs about a 14.5 in the 1/4 with a tune an intake and the gears. I run high 14's low 15's but im stock. I have a higher top speed and on the freeway if we are doin around 110 i will start to pull because he is runnin out of gear. you either gain acceleration and lose top speed or the reverse....you cant have the best of both.

 

um..no..

All F23 (Cobalt/Pursuit) Getrags have 3.84 ratio

The autoimatics are 3.63

I have had this information verfied by GM canada---the US site has bad info. Trust me.