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Aug 24, 2007 | 02:49 PM

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Hey everyone,

Im a little confused on which way to go with performance because I was told that the Getrag transmission is not made to safely support more than 180hp? Can someone explain to me then why so many 2.2's are using turbos and sc's then? Isnt it super risky?

Aug 24, 2007 | 03:02 PM

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the trans can hold around 250hp+ i believe

isnt the trans the same in the 2.2 as the 2.0??? GM Stage 3 puts them at 230+

Aug 24, 2007 | 03:08 PM

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the 2.2 and the 2.4 have the same trans but not the 2.0

Aug 24, 2007 | 03:10 PM

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the trans can hold around 250hp+ i believe

isnt the trans the same in the 2.2 as the 2.0??? GM Stage 3 puts them at 230+

well they're not really the same... gearing's different.

Not all getrag's are built the same. whoever told you getrag doesn't build a tranny that safely supports more than 180hp was talking out their ass.

Aug 24, 2007 | 03:56 PM

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I beat my car up and tranny seems to be holding up so far. I will be testing the limits of the F23 tranny here in the next month or so with the procharger setup. We will see if it can handle 400whp, give or take. =P

Aug 24, 2007 | 04:05 PM

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i blew my tranny 7mths after i had my car but i was beaten it with 18's on it .. but so ffar my new tranny holding up been alittle over a year and counting

Aug 24, 2007 | 04:20 PM

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getrag f23 in the 2.2 (click for GM spec sheet)
getrag f35 in the 2.0 (click for GM spec sheet)

Aug 24, 2007 | 04:22 PM

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as far as the stock clutch holding up to 180+hp, now that i might see as a problem but definatly not the trans

Aug 24, 2007 | 04:29 PM

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as far as the stock clutch holding up to 180+hp, now that i might see as a problem but definatly not the trans

stock everything held up to 188whp/175wtq just fine. and i know another that hit 197whp.

Aug 24, 2007 | 07:08 PM

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Mine held up to 212whp 224wtq with no problem. stock clutch too. I was making more power then that too here in boise, just didnt dyno it here.

Aug 24, 2007 | 07:34 PM

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So if I put the Garrett turbo, a CAI, full catback, and internals...will this still hold up..cuase Id be pushing like 260 - 280hp...new tranny time when I do this??

Aug 24, 2007 | 08:26 PM

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Mine held up to 212whp 224wtq with no problem. stock clutch too. I was making more power then that too here in boise, just didnt dyno it here.

Sw4y...you are my hero

lol

Aug 24, 2007 | 09:24 PM

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So if I put the Garrett turbo, a CAI, full catback, and internals...will this still hold up..cuase Id be pushing like 260 - 280hp...new tranny time when I do this??

you won't need a CAI because the garrett kit comes with an intake to the turbo and it wouldn't make a different if it was cold air or not because the turbo is going to heat the air no matter what. the turbo is essentialy your new "intake" . if you were to do internals just doing that won't change the hp of your car. it will do nothing but strengthen the engine. you will need to up the boost and retune to acheive 280hp. I wouldn't be able to tell you cuz psi is irrelivant. its different on all turbos

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Sw4y...you are my hero

lol

haha thanks. if ur lookin toboost ur 07 wait for my results on the AEM FIC. should be good =P

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Aug 24, 2007 | 09:27 PM

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So if I put the Garrett turbo, a CAI, full catback, and internals...will this still hold up..cuase Id be pushing like 260 - 280hp...new tranny time when I do this??

where did you get 260-280 from? more like 200-210 whp

Aug 24, 2007 | 09:42 PM

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where did you get 260-280 from? more like 200-210 whp

this is correct,yes others are running more HP,but you will wear the tranny down quicker with out some upgrades to it.

Aug 24, 2007 | 09:54 PM

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the trans can hold around 250hp+ i believe

isnt the trans the same in the 2.2 as the 2.0??? GM Stage 3 puts them at 230+

Nope.

http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1928

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LSJ MANUAL TRANS SPECS
2007 GME Sweden F35 ( MU3 ) 04/04/06
Type: transverse front wheel drive, five-speed manual transaxle ( optional with limited slip differential )
Engine range: 2.0L I-4 supercharged
Maximum engine torque: 200 lb-ft ( 271 Nm)
Maximum gearbox torque: 258 lb-ft ( 350 Nm )
Gear ratios: MU3
First: 3.38
Second: 1.76
Third: 1.18
Fourth: 0.89
Fifth: 0.7
Reverse: 3.17
Final Drive Ratio: 4.04
Maximum validated gross vehicle weight 2300 kg
Case material: aluminum
Center distance: 76.5mm
Fluid type: Castrol BOT 0063
Transmission weight: wet: 45 kg ( 99 lb )
Fluid capacity (approximate): 1.7L / 2.0 qt. ( dry )
Power take off: no
Applications: Chevrolet Cobalt
Saturn ION

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2.2 L61 and 2.4 VVT LE5 MANUAL TRANS SPECS
2007 Getrag F23 ( M86/MG3 ) 04/04/06
Type: transverse front wheel drive, five-speed manual transaxle
Engine range: 2.2L - 2.4L DOHC (M86/MG3)
Maximum engine torque: 155 lb-ft ( 210 Nm)
Maximum gearbox torque: 170 lb-ft ( 230 Nm )
Gear ratios: M86 MG3
First: 3.58 3.58
Second: 2.02 2.02
Third: 1.35 1.35
Fourth: 0.98 0.98
Fifth: 0.69 0.81
Reverse: 3.31 3.31
Final Drive Ratio: (M86) 3.84( Cobalt, ION ), 4.17( HHR )
Final Drive Ratio: (MG3) 4.41( VUE )
Maximum validated gross vehicle weight: M86: 4094 lb ( 1857 kg ) MG3: 4475 lb ( 2030 kg )
Case material: aluminum
Center distance: 75 mm
Fluid type: DEXTRON III
Transmission weight: 46.3 kg ( 102 lb )
Fluid capacity (approximate): M86: 1.7L / 1.8 qt ( dry ) MG3: 1.8L / 1.9 qt ( dry )
Power take off: no
Applications: Chevrolet Cobalt ( M86 )
Pontiac Pursuit ( M86 )
Saturn ION ( M86 )
Chevrolet HHR ( M86 )
Saturn VUE ( MG3 )

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Originally Posted by BIG-DAVE

i blew my tranny 7mths after i had my car but i was beaten it with 18's on it .. but so ffar my new tranny holding up been alittle over a year and counting

What does that have to do with anything?

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Aug 24, 2007 | 10:09 PM

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Nope.

http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1928

What does that have to do with anything?

Id rep you for this info,but I'm all out.

Aug 24, 2007 | 10:17 PM

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It's all good

Aug 26, 2007 | 05:15 AM

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so basically what is being said here is that the stock tranny and clutch can hold 200/220 hp/tq that hahns turbo kit offers?

and i wanna know, for future reference, when to replace clutch with a higher stage and what else would need replaced for 250/280 hp/tq (rough estimates)

Aug 26, 2007 | 10:23 AM

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It should hold more if you are a good driver.

Aug 26, 2007 | 03:48 PM

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It should hold more if you are a good driver.

well im only 20 and ive been drivin for 4 years. i mean im not that great but im not bad at driving lol. i put 120K miles an a 03 cavy and sold with the stock clutch still workin good n i sit in rush hour a lot since i work construction. but are you saying that the stock tranny is capible of 300 hp&tq? or is 250 about the limit? i didnt quite understand what u meant by that reply

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