Low Cost Performance?
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dude seriously just go buy a vibrant 3 inch catback exhaust or something along those lines of a 2.5 - 3 inch exhaust cat backs.
they are gonna be eventually used for ur turbo anyway so this way ur just supporting ur mod.
they are gonna be eventually used for ur turbo anyway so this way ur just supporting ur mod.
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YEA I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST JUST TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE CAT BACK AND NOW SPEND ANY ON AN INTAKE BECAUSE I DO PLAN TO GO F/I. THANKS FOR EVERYONES HELP.
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[QUOTE=MOTORSPORT03;766248]
That's like saying you're not going to get much stronger just doing a few push-ups, so exercising is useless.
You have to sacrifice something if you want to out perform the next guy. You've got to do what he's not willing to do. Life is a series of compromises. I took out my rear seat but kept my stereo and A/C. You might choose to lose the audio instead. Remember, if the rear seat is removed you no longer need the rear headrests and rear seat belt assy w/retractors and all the mounting hardware.
How about swapping the jack and spare for a can of flat fix and tire plugs like I have. Here's some useless weight - the engine hanger brackets and bolts. They're just used to r&r the engine - take em off. How about the floor mats, engine plastic coverings, under hood blanket, etc. Take out all trash and unneccessary items in trunk and clean or remove the carpet and any sound deadening material underneath.
You can always get serious and start cutting excessive length off of bolts or replacing them with aluminum or titanium hardware. You could lighten up the heavy doors by removing the steel inner door beam and drilling large holes in their bottom. Replacing the stock battery with a small odyssey or dynabatt will save about 30lbs - relocate it up front to save cable weight too. Remove sun visors (at least the passengers side). Replace hood and trunk with c/f components. Lose the wing. The steel inner bumpers could be drilled lighter or better yet replaced with aluminum channel or I-beams. The list is endless - limited only by your creativity and desire to win.
Heres the breakdown of my modest weight saving efforts to date:
Rear Deck lid - 5 lbs
Spare Tire - 27.5 lbs
Jack and Tire retainer - 8 lbs
Rear Seat Bottom - 9.5 lbs
Rear Seat Back - 21.5 lbs
Seatbelts,R Headrests
and hardware - 13 lbs
Engine & ECU Covers - 3.5 lbs
Air Box, Floor Mats, Hood Mat,
engine hangers &bolts - 19.5lbs
Total wt. removed - 107.5lbs
Weight added:
injen CAI, new deck lid,
new flooring w/hardware - 11.5lbs
Net weight savings -------- 96lbs
This does not take into account exhaust system weight savings which I estimate to be 30-35lbs.
This 4% weight savings gives the same results as adding 4% more hp, 4% bigger brakes and a 4% stiffer suspension.
At times it may seem like pissing in the ocean, but it all adds up - just like exercising. Do a little each day and after a little while you will be in a lot better shape. Every little bit helps, and the results are cumulative!
Plus the results are magnified if you add hp on top of any weight savings. Saving 300lbs off of a 3,000lb car is the same as adding 10% hp (10% braking, handling, etc.). If you only have 150hp this equals adding 15hp. If you have 300 hp, this equals adding 30hp.
You have to sacrifice something if you want to out perform the next guy. You've got to do what he's not willing to do. Life is a series of compromises. I took out my rear seat but kept my stereo and A/C. You might choose to lose the audio instead. Remember, if the rear seat is removed you no longer need the rear headrests and rear seat belt assy w/retractors and all the mounting hardware.
How about swapping the jack and spare for a can of flat fix and tire plugs like I have. Here's some useless weight - the engine hanger brackets and bolts. They're just used to r&r the engine - take em off. How about the floor mats, engine plastic coverings, under hood blanket, etc. Take out all trash and unneccessary items in trunk and clean or remove the carpet and any sound deadening material underneath.
You can always get serious and start cutting excessive length off of bolts or replacing them with aluminum or titanium hardware. You could lighten up the heavy doors by removing the steel inner door beam and drilling large holes in their bottom. Replacing the stock battery with a small odyssey or dynabatt will save about 30lbs - relocate it up front to save cable weight too. Remove sun visors (at least the passengers side). Replace hood and trunk with c/f components. Lose the wing. The steel inner bumpers could be drilled lighter or better yet replaced with aluminum channel or I-beams. The list is endless - limited only by your creativity and desire to win.
Heres the breakdown of my modest weight saving efforts to date:
Rear Deck lid - 5 lbs
Spare Tire - 27.5 lbs
Jack and Tire retainer - 8 lbs
Rear Seat Bottom - 9.5 lbs
Rear Seat Back - 21.5 lbs
Seatbelts,R Headrests
and hardware - 13 lbs
Engine & ECU Covers - 3.5 lbs
Air Box, Floor Mats, Hood Mat,
engine hangers &bolts - 19.5lbs
Total wt. removed - 107.5lbs
Weight added:
injen CAI, new deck lid,
new flooring w/hardware - 11.5lbs
Net weight savings -------- 96lbs
This does not take into account exhaust system weight savings which I estimate to be 30-35lbs.
This 4% weight savings gives the same results as adding 4% more hp, 4% bigger brakes and a 4% stiffer suspension.
At times it may seem like pissing in the ocean, but it all adds up - just like exercising. Do a little each day and after a little while you will be in a lot better shape. Every little bit helps, and the results are cumulative!
Plus the results are magnified if you add hp on top of any weight savings. Saving 300lbs off of a 3,000lb car is the same as adding 10% hp (10% braking, handling, etc.). If you only have 150hp this equals adding 15hp. If you have 300 hp, this equals adding 30hp.
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[QUOTE=sushidog;774938]
That's like saying you're not going to get much stronger just doing a few push-ups, so exercising is useless.
You have to sacrifice something if you want to out perform the next guy. You've got to do what he's not willing to do. Life is a series of compromises. I took out my rear seat but kept my stereo and A/C. You might choose to lose the audio instead. Remember, if the rear seat is removed you no longer need the rear headrests and rear seat belt assy w/retractors and all the mounting hardware.
How about swapping the jack and spare for a can of flat fix and tire plugs like I have. Here's some useless weight - the engine hanger brackets and bolts. They're just used to r&r the engine - take em off. How about the floor mats, engine plastic coverings, under hood blanket, etc. Take out all trash and unneccessary items in trunk and clean or remove the carpet and any sound deadening material underneath.
You can always get serious and start cutting excessive length off of bolts or replacing them with aluminum or titanium hardware. You could lighten up the heavy doors by removing the steel inner door beam and drilling large holes in their bottom. Replacing the stock battery with a small odyssey or dynabatt will save about 30lbs - relocate it up front to save cable weight too. Remove sun visors (at least the passengers side). Replace hood and trunk with c/f components. Lose the wing. The steel inner bumpers could be drilled lighter or better yet replaced with aluminum channel or I-beams. The list is endless - limited only by your creativity and desire to win.
Heres the breakdown of my modest weight saving efforts to date:
Rear Deck lid - 5 lbs
Spare Tire - 27.5 lbs
Jack and Tire retainer - 8 lbs
Rear Seat Bottom - 9.5 lbs
Rear Seat Back - 21.5 lbs
Seatbelts,R Headrests
and hardware - 13 lbs
Engine & ECU Covers - 3.5 lbs
Air Box, Floor Mats, Hood Mat,
engine hangers &bolts - 19.5lbs
Total wt. removed - 107.5lbs
Weight added:
injen CAI, new deck lid,
new flooring w/hardware - 11.5lbs
Net weight savings -------- 96lbs
This does not take into account exhaust system weight savings which I estimate to be 30-35lbs.
This 4% weight savings gives the same results as adding 4% more hp, 4% bigger brakes and a 4% stiffer suspension.
At times it may seem like pissing in the ocean, but it all adds up - just like exercising. Do a little each day and after a little while you will be in a lot better shape. Every little bit helps, and the results are cumulative!
Plus the results are magnified if you add hp on top of any weight savings. Saving 300lbs off of a 3,000lb car is the same as adding 10% hp (10% braking, handling, etc.). If you only have 150hp this equals adding 15hp. If you have 300 hp, this equals adding 30hp.
WHILE ALL THIS MAY BE NICE FOR THE DIE HARD RACE EVERY WEEKEND AND PAY 6K A YEAR FOR INSURANCE GUY THAT IS NOT ME. I ENJOY POWER AND ALSO ENJOY HAVEING MY BABY LOOK GOOD. I DON'T WANT A FULL OUT DRAG CAR JUST SOMETHING FOR ME TO ENJOY. A LOSS DOESN'T MAKE ME MAD I JUST DO IT FOR FUN. THATS WHY I HAVE THE 12 IN SUB IN BACK AND MY SEATS IN. THANKS FOR THE INFO THOUGH.
That's like saying you're not going to get much stronger just doing a few push-ups, so exercising is useless.
You have to sacrifice something if you want to out perform the next guy. You've got to do what he's not willing to do. Life is a series of compromises. I took out my rear seat but kept my stereo and A/C. You might choose to lose the audio instead. Remember, if the rear seat is removed you no longer need the rear headrests and rear seat belt assy w/retractors and all the mounting hardware.
How about swapping the jack and spare for a can of flat fix and tire plugs like I have. Here's some useless weight - the engine hanger brackets and bolts. They're just used to r&r the engine - take em off. How about the floor mats, engine plastic coverings, under hood blanket, etc. Take out all trash and unneccessary items in trunk and clean or remove the carpet and any sound deadening material underneath.
You can always get serious and start cutting excessive length off of bolts or replacing them with aluminum or titanium hardware. You could lighten up the heavy doors by removing the steel inner door beam and drilling large holes in their bottom. Replacing the stock battery with a small odyssey or dynabatt will save about 30lbs - relocate it up front to save cable weight too. Remove sun visors (at least the passengers side). Replace hood and trunk with c/f components. Lose the wing. The steel inner bumpers could be drilled lighter or better yet replaced with aluminum channel or I-beams. The list is endless - limited only by your creativity and desire to win.
Heres the breakdown of my modest weight saving efforts to date:
Rear Deck lid - 5 lbs
Spare Tire - 27.5 lbs
Jack and Tire retainer - 8 lbs
Rear Seat Bottom - 9.5 lbs
Rear Seat Back - 21.5 lbs
Seatbelts,R Headrests
and hardware - 13 lbs
Engine & ECU Covers - 3.5 lbs
Air Box, Floor Mats, Hood Mat,
engine hangers &bolts - 19.5lbs
Total wt. removed - 107.5lbs
Weight added:
injen CAI, new deck lid,
new flooring w/hardware - 11.5lbs
Net weight savings -------- 96lbs
This does not take into account exhaust system weight savings which I estimate to be 30-35lbs.
This 4% weight savings gives the same results as adding 4% more hp, 4% bigger brakes and a 4% stiffer suspension.
At times it may seem like pissing in the ocean, but it all adds up - just like exercising. Do a little each day and after a little while you will be in a lot better shape. Every little bit helps, and the results are cumulative!
Plus the results are magnified if you add hp on top of any weight savings. Saving 300lbs off of a 3,000lb car is the same as adding 10% hp (10% braking, handling, etc.). If you only have 150hp this equals adding 15hp. If you have 300 hp, this equals adding 30hp.
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Caps Lock dude....
He isn't saying chop everything out. But from that list if you see something that you could do without, remove it. Wasn't there something floating on the net about 100lbs= .10sec off your 1/4et?
He isn't saying chop everything out. But from that list if you see something that you could do without, remove it. Wasn't there something floating on the net about 100lbs= .10sec off your 1/4et?
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[QUOTE=sushidog;774938]
That's like saying you're not going to get much stronger just doing a few push-ups, so exercising is useless.
You have to sacrifice something if you want to out perform the next guy. You've got to do what he's not willing to do. Life is a series of compromises. I took out my rear seat but kept my stereo and A/C. You might choose to lose the audio instead. Remember, if the rear seat is removed you no longer need the rear headrests and rear seat belt assy w/retractors and all the mounting hardware.
How about swapping the jack and spare for a can of flat fix and tire plugs like I have. Here's some useless weight - the engine hanger brackets and bolts. They're just used to r&r the engine - take em off. How about the floor mats, engine plastic coverings, under hood blanket, etc. Take out all trash and unneccessary items in trunk and clean or remove the carpet and any sound deadening material underneath.
You can always get serious and start cutting excessive length off of bolts or replacing them with aluminum or titanium hardware. You could lighten up the heavy doors by removing the steel inner door beam and drilling large holes in their bottom. Replacing the stock battery with a small odyssey or dynabatt will save about 30lbs - relocate it up front to save cable weight too. Remove sun visors (at least the passengers side). Replace hood and trunk with c/f components. Lose the wing. The steel inner bumpers could be drilled lighter or better yet replaced with aluminum channel or I-beams. The list is endless - limited only by your creativity and desire to win.
Heres the breakdown of my modest weight saving efforts to date:
Rear Deck lid - 5 lbs
Spare Tire - 27.5 lbs
Jack and Tire retainer - 8 lbs
Rear Seat Bottom - 9.5 lbs
Rear Seat Back - 21.5 lbs
Seatbelts,R Headrests
and hardware - 13 lbs
Engine & ECU Covers - 3.5 lbs
Air Box, Floor Mats, Hood Mat,
engine hangers &bolts - 19.5lbs
Total wt. removed - 107.5lbs
Weight added:
injen CAI, new deck lid,
new flooring w/hardware - 11.5lbs
Net weight savings -------- 96lbs
This does not take into account exhaust system weight savings which I estimate to be 30-35lbs.
This 4% weight savings gives the same results as adding 4% more hp, 4% bigger brakes and a 4% stiffer suspension.
At times it may seem like pissing in the ocean, but it all adds up - just like exercising. Do a little each day and after a little while you will be in a lot better shape. Every little bit helps, and the results are cumulative!
Plus the results are magnified if you add hp on top of any weight savings. Saving 300lbs off of a 3,000lb car is the same as adding 10% hp (10% braking, handling, etc.). If you only have 150hp this equals adding 15hp. If you have 300 hp, this equals adding 30hp.
great post
That's like saying you're not going to get much stronger just doing a few push-ups, so exercising is useless.
You have to sacrifice something if you want to out perform the next guy. You've got to do what he's not willing to do. Life is a series of compromises. I took out my rear seat but kept my stereo and A/C. You might choose to lose the audio instead. Remember, if the rear seat is removed you no longer need the rear headrests and rear seat belt assy w/retractors and all the mounting hardware.
How about swapping the jack and spare for a can of flat fix and tire plugs like I have. Here's some useless weight - the engine hanger brackets and bolts. They're just used to r&r the engine - take em off. How about the floor mats, engine plastic coverings, under hood blanket, etc. Take out all trash and unneccessary items in trunk and clean or remove the carpet and any sound deadening material underneath.
You can always get serious and start cutting excessive length off of bolts or replacing them with aluminum or titanium hardware. You could lighten up the heavy doors by removing the steel inner door beam and drilling large holes in their bottom. Replacing the stock battery with a small odyssey or dynabatt will save about 30lbs - relocate it up front to save cable weight too. Remove sun visors (at least the passengers side). Replace hood and trunk with c/f components. Lose the wing. The steel inner bumpers could be drilled lighter or better yet replaced with aluminum channel or I-beams. The list is endless - limited only by your creativity and desire to win.
Heres the breakdown of my modest weight saving efforts to date:
Rear Deck lid - 5 lbs
Spare Tire - 27.5 lbs
Jack and Tire retainer - 8 lbs
Rear Seat Bottom - 9.5 lbs
Rear Seat Back - 21.5 lbs
Seatbelts,R Headrests
and hardware - 13 lbs
Engine & ECU Covers - 3.5 lbs
Air Box, Floor Mats, Hood Mat,
engine hangers &bolts - 19.5lbs
Total wt. removed - 107.5lbs
Weight added:
injen CAI, new deck lid,
new flooring w/hardware - 11.5lbs
Net weight savings -------- 96lbs
This does not take into account exhaust system weight savings which I estimate to be 30-35lbs.
This 4% weight savings gives the same results as adding 4% more hp, 4% bigger brakes and a 4% stiffer suspension.
At times it may seem like pissing in the ocean, but it all adds up - just like exercising. Do a little each day and after a little while you will be in a lot better shape. Every little bit helps, and the results are cumulative!
Plus the results are magnified if you add hp on top of any weight savings. Saving 300lbs off of a 3,000lb car is the same as adding 10% hp (10% braking, handling, etc.). If you only have 150hp this equals adding 15hp. If you have 300 hp, this equals adding 30hp.
great post
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This reminds me of a quote I used to have posted in my shop:
" We do 3 kinds of work here: good, fast and cheap. Pick any 2 of the 3.
We do good work fast, but it won't be cheap.
We do good work cheap, but it won't be fast.
We do fast work cheap, but it won't be good."
" We do 3 kinds of work here: good, fast and cheap. Pick any 2 of the 3.
We do good work fast, but it won't be cheap.
We do good work cheap, but it won't be fast.
We do fast work cheap, but it won't be good."
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