are there any pros of going n/a over supercharging? Since ZZP is coming out with this kit, I figure the gains will probably bring the 2.2 up to 205,210 hp meanwhile fully bolted and cammed will be 185ish. So yeah any pros of n/a?

 

Nope, other than it weighs less and can look stock. If youre just looking for power and dont have a desire to go NA, then theres really no reason.

 

If you're looking for a faster car.. Forced induction is the way to go.. NA build will be a lot of work for nowhere near as much potential

 

hes right with a 4 cylinder. you have no option but to go f.i.

 

Itb.

 

in the butt? Cali guys, i tell ya.

 

I do wonder what NWAE could've make powerwise with a higher CR or anyone with those mods. To bad we'll never know haha.

 

Imo na 4cyl builds are a waste of money...you spend a **** ton on money and build and cam your motor and guess what? The guy that bolted on a turbo kit last night in his garage is going to hand you your ass for half the money you spent

 

Yeah. N/A builds are more worthwhile on high displacement engines... and even then, boost is the better bang for the buck.

 

i would say a K24/K20 build isnt a complete waste. as far as NA 4 cylinders, thats the only one i really respect (other than all out ridiculous builds)

 

guess this zzp kit is a blessing in disguise i hope their price is somewhat decent

 

yes we cali guys like girls who takes in the stinker

 

NWAEs build was among the top Cobalt builds but was very mild in reality. As he was built 200hp is about the most that would ever come out of it.

To get significantly past 185hp in a 2.2 you MUST have head work, you should have higher compression, and you need to get rid of the restrictions on the engine, and since noone has parts to do that available over the counter, or for under say a couple hundred dollars, its highly unlikely we'll see the tru potential of the 2.2 (IMO its about 215 on stock CR) I am still debating on undertaking a solid NA build or not myself. But like everyone else that has attempted it or even thought about it cost is the factor. If it wasnt my daily driver I could justify the expense, just the personal accomplishment would be worth it. But the sacrifice in drivability on a 250hp NA build like Id want is hard to justify.

 

5 grand into a solid turbo setup with all the supporting mods (assuming you can do it yourself) and make nice power, or twice as much to hit maybe 200whp.... If you have money to blow, an na build woiuld be cool, but it will not be anywhere near as easy, cheap, or efficient as a fi build. Basically the only advantage would be to say you have the fastest and most hp na build on the site.... but not worth it to be bragging about 200whp, or slightly more.

 

if your gonna NA, id explore the world of NOS

 

nitrous is not considered to be an NA build by the purists.

 

Honestly I just think that Honda engines are just like any other engine. Except its like having cams after 4000+ rpms. Whoopie... Why not just install aftermarket cams? V-tec is only for performance when you want it and fuel economy when you dont. I'm not bashing though. I think v-tec is a cool technology just not as "magical" as some of the fanbois seem to think it is.

 

5grand into a solid do it yourself turbo and you could destroy 80% of the cars on this site.

 

Or put 10 grand into it and decimate all!

 

yep. the problem is that it seems like most people don't do the right supporting mods... they slap on their turbo and call it a day.

 

im not supporting Vtec...im supporting the fact that a K24/K20 is a very high compression very high revving motor around 250hp using only OEM parts and very little labor. Its an impressive frankenstein.

 

Please explain "only OEM parts". And is that 250 hp at the wheels or crank?

 

I mean a K24 block and a K20 head... OEM parts, not aftermarket heads or cams or anything. Thats at the wheels too. My friend had a K24/K20 build with an intake and header and dynoed 250whp.

 

hate to bring up a dead topic.

but....hunter is right. there was a little known article back in the day which did the k24 block with a k20 type r variant head. The results were astonishing.

only problem i have with honda is.....they got spendy. 5g's for a good motor swap? better come with 100 free dinners to denny's lol.