With all this talk about the 2.4 TB and manifold. Do you think that a tune for the TB with full bolt ons would be to much for stock injectors? And is re-pinning needed for the TB? IM about to order my tune and not sure if its worth getting the TB and possibly larger injectors for cheap ya know?

bumps

guys anything?

 

i have done all of this and more and i still would have been under the need for bigger injectors. I did them just because I didnt know and i would need them eventaually anyways.
You do have to make your own harness but its not too hard....honestly though if you arent doing much more to the vehichle (boost or serious build) then you wont need them.
as for the tb it does bring some of the lower end tq back that you loose with the intake mani. and you should not have to rewire anything, just have it tuned.

 

I've never seen anyone post up IDC % for 2.2's with full bolt ons, so I don't really know if they would be needed.

 

when vince tuned mine we talked about his
you will be fine without

 

cool thanks! exactly what I thought...

Cheers, CSS

 

mine were @85%...that was with a sc, intake, knn intake, pacesetter header, lsj dp, megan exhaust...that was on the 42lb's aswell

 

so i guess what kinda WHP will I be looking at with all the mods in my sig + full exhaust the 2.4L TB and a trifecta tune? Im shooting for 160-170, and any ideas for some mounts or traction bars to put more power down; I dont want really bad vibs ya know?

 

bumpsssss

 

your gonna get vibs with the motor mount and transmission inserts, i have them all for 10k miles and the vibs are terrible in traffic

 

would traction bars help or not really?

 

Not really, that would kill your wheel hop(if you have it).

 

hmmm is our stock exhaust mostly 2.25? and only 1.75 for part of it or am I measuring wrong?

bummmpppp

any words

 

Le5 TB and manifold, LSJ exhaust manifold, full exhaust, CAI and a tune.......Id say youd be incredibly lucky to hit 170hp, I think 155 is more the ballpark.

 

hmm well thats a rather "grounding number" but thanks for the reality check, Maven do you have an opinnion on meth on NA cars? I'v been reading on it and some people have gained a decent amount of power but they were mostly V6's but I did find a RSX type S running it who saw some decent gains, is this appilcation something worth more research on?

 

Yes methanol injection works on NA cars.


Yeah pretty much MUST have a decent header to break 155, and 170 is almost certainly gonna require internal work or other expensive mods.

 

any mod that lowers the heat of your intake charge will give you power. it probably won't be something to write home about but it should make some power. and IIRC meth also increases octane in your fuel therefore giving you the chance to add more timing? (right?)

 

black what do you run the 1/4 in ? when im done we will have nearly the exact same mods..it'd be a fun race..

 

i can def agree to that
it may not take much to get above 170 internals wise but it is def required

what kind of gains would be seen from meth on an n/a car in comparison to boosted?

another question on this subject maven
how hard would it be to do itb's on the balt? do they make an electronic itb setup that could work (with adaptation to the correct flange)? would adapting the actuator from the existing tb to move mult hard - linked itb's work? would you be required to go aftermarket for your ecu setup or is it feasible to adapt into current.
is it even worth it?

 

There are ITB setups out there, but IMO they all would need to be standalone, at least converted to previous style ECM/cable throttle. I dont think it would be remotely feasible for 99.9999% of people to attempt to adapt an ITB setup flybywire with the stock ECM etc.

 

if vince were able to figure out a way to adapt new sensors (or whatever needed to be done with them) into the mix, and you found a way to use the existing tb actuators to open/ close all the other itb's at once........?

just thinking

cause i would LOVE to have ITB's, but really dont want the hassel of a standalone

 

What is so good about ITB's? They sound impressive but dont do much for the ass dyno.

 

ITB's meaning more than 1 TB? im confused with ur fancy abbreviations

 

itb's stands for individual throttle bodies
as in 1 tb per cyl
they are great for na due to throttle response and not having to suck all that air through all that piping. i believe the math says that for every 90* angle in an intake or exhaust, it is equal to 9 feet of straight pipe...and the more pipe you go through the more friction and loss of power...

all in all, more power, better throttle repsonse...all around better

 

i've seen this on a custom miata. ******* sick.

 

The issue would be making the stock throttle operate a cable linkage, and of course whatever tuning it would need. I dont know of ANYONE ANYWHERE who has put ITBs on with the stock ECM

Okay, you keep your ass dyno and Ill take the ITBs