well after reading the description id say it would work as long as the injection is only based off of the air intake and and no other parameters, such as fuel delivery things of that nature. but having a tune and then having meth would be the best idea.

any others? as its possilbe i could be dead wrong

 

the way meth works is it adds octane while simulatneously cooling...the only way adds power is to get a tune that adds timing so you can capitalize on the cooler/higher octane conditions.

 

then whats the purpose of the maf based system if you dont gain anything by using it without a tune and advancing the timing? also if i get tuned for the meth will i always be using it or can it be rpm activated?

 

It doesnt Its designed for max effort race engines. If you want to use it in a 'Balt youre gonna have to make it work.

 

from what a member was saying on ecotec forums, it has a hookup or something of the like...hmmm

i was talking with someone yest, and although tricky, it may be possible to use the stock ecu. if we were to use the existing actuator from the existing tb and tie that in to move the throttle cable, vince can tune for throttle response...so thats in check...all we would need is for him to redo all your tables to read from the map sensor once hooked up

shouldnt be any harder then doing an entire stand alone...

so the hurtles are:

evap line
brake booster
maf sensor delete
throttle hookup
and tuning

 

what are some headers that fit the 2.2 and will bolt up to the LSJ DP??

 

all the ones they call shorty headers that i know of

 

Yeah, I think getting the throttle actuator to work the butterflies is a huge issue. The TB isnt that strong, you basicaly would need to fab it to directly drive the throttle linkage, no cable at all.

Emissions and brake booster is nothing, just a vacuum port. Tap&drill, done.

Yeah, thats IF you can get the ECM to run in alpha N mode. I dont know if you can

Of course the real thing to do would be to build a plenum for those, that way you you still use stock MAF, stock TB and a single normal air filter. Its honestly the better way to go. I wouldnt want to run all the trumpets with individual airfilters. Thats just me though

Your boys with Vulcan or somebody right? should be nothing at all for them to fab up a box plenum.

 

clear image... live right near them


so your thinking to use this itb setup and still go to a plenumlike now? or one with (more or less) an ind plenum/ runner to the port on the head so you can still use your accessories...
OHHHHHH


i see what your saying, so build a plenum to go BEFORE the itbs, like alot of the turbo guys do.. (in fact it would them be usable for f/i.....) and put the maf and crap there and use a single air filter...hmmm....that is DEF a thought...
so in that case we could still run the stock crank vent, the stock maf, more or less stock tuning except the tb (and adjustments...but no major non-maf rewrites) etc...

so in theory at that point we are ALMOST talking about directly replacing the single tb with 4 of them and move the plenum up in front.... interesting

that would def give us the intake air velocity we want, the AMAZING throttle response and what not...hmmmm

and I suppose for the cable, you could make a hyrbid of what we have now
keep all the elec as is so the comp still knows the throttle position and can factor that in, but add in a cable system from a stock ion or something (i know 04's used cable operated tbs)

DAMNIT!! someone just needs to make an elec - cable conversion kit for tb's and this would ALMOST be easy!

wait wait wait...you just said stock tb

so you are basically saying use the vulcan intake mani?

but in theory something like this:


or....

 

Okay, now we're getting to that point that you know about....where I stop giving out my ideas for free. But yes, youve got a decent grasp on what I was talking about.

Very similar to the first pic, you would build a plenum to contain/surround the trumpets of the length you chose, basically just using the ITBs as a prefab intake manifold. Like I said there are cheaper/other ways to do it, but Kinsler has multiple trumpet sizes and can advise you on proper diameter and length for your use/powerband, or you could of course just do the math yourself and figure outwhat size runners you nned and have Vulcan or Hogan build you a bespoke manifold that will flow what we need to truly make power NA.(this is obviously the cheaper way.....figure $1500 for a custom Hogan manifold )

 

sweet deal, thanks for the advice