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Old 10-12-2014, 02:05 AM
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What are the consequences of running 10:1 with a supercharger?

I'm here to learn. What would be the consequences of running forged 10:1 pistons with a supercharger? Maybe 2.8 pulley? Meth is probably a must? Is it even worth doing that vs just buying 8.9:1 pistons? They both cost the same. Is this just a block explosion waiting to happen?


FWIW I've got nothing in my hands. I'm in development right now.
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pop pop pop, BOOM. ping ping ping. ERRR. $$$$ is what you get.
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Originally Posted by Sl0wbaltSS
pop pop pop, BOOM. ping ping ping. ERRR. $$$$ is what you get.
WTF? Are you serious? Tell me this is just you trollin'? A forged 10:1 on boost going boom. Yeah I dink you be trollin' hard or you need sum skoolin'.
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You get money? Huh
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Rule of thumb. Generally. High compression/supercharge (roots/whipple) low compression/turbo or vortec supercharged like a procharger.
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Originally Posted by Sl0wbaltSS
pop pop pop, BOOM. ping ping ping. ERRR. $$$$ is what you get.
I wonder if the block feature blocks people from posting in your threads...

Originally Posted by REDi DEViSTATOR
Rule of thumb. Generally. High compression/supercharge (roots/whipple) low compression/turbo or vortec supercharged like a procharger.
I'm used to old motors when it comes to forced induction. I'd always been taught to go low compression with forced induction, but I realize now it's probably because it is way more crude to control on an old engine with a distributor and carb.
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Here are the consequences 10.5:1 had on my LSJ.................

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i beat the crap out of my stock 2.2 with 2.8 pulley and full bolt ons. it did fine
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Here are the consequences 10.5:1 had on my LSJ.................

Hell yes. No nitrous for me though. Thanks for the info guys!

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i beat the crap out of my stock 2.2 with 2.8 pulley and full bolt ons. it did fine
You're auto too? How'd the trans hold out?
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i beat the crap out of my stock 2.2 with 2.8 pulley and full bolt ons. it did fine
Wasnt you the one who blew up?
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Yes because he was pushing 270 WHP on a stock 2.2 that normally fail above 250 WHP.
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Yes because he was pushing 270 WHP on a stock 2.2 that normally fail above 250 WHP.
So, not a pioneer but more of an idiot? I mean, you have the facts, your **** breaks at point X yet you pretend the rules don't apply and go past it? Pretty stupid. I know a Honda civic that has 720hp, and it lasted a week. Jussayin
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Originally Posted by supernovanator

I wonder if the block feature blocks people from posting in your threads...
You will not see them but they will still be posted.

A high compression lsj seems like a good way to make your tires hate you
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tstone, did you have to dial back your entire ignition timing for 10.5-1 compression, or just the upper end, or not at all? lol
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Wow. Just wow.


To answer the OP's question; there are no consequences. The reason lower compression numbers go with boost is to reduce the chances of detonation and to lower combustion temps. The higher comp will net you more power, but you will need to tune for it like anything. If you drop the compression to low you will have to feed your motor more PSI to generate power, but on the flip side if you go with too high of a comp ratio you will have a bad time tuning the thing on pump gas with boost. Personally, I would go with the 10.0:1 and tune for it. More power per psi of boost, not that drastic of an increase, and as long as you tune it well it will be fine.
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Originally Posted by REDi DEViSTATOR
So, not a pioneer but more of an idiot? I mean, you have the facts, your **** breaks at point X yet you pretend the rules don't apply and go past it? Pretty stupid. I know a Honda civic that has 720hp, and it lasted a week. Jussayin
I call bullshit, you looked at the 720p label on your monitor and added the h, lol. Vids or it never happened.
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Originally Posted by REDi DEViSTATOR
So, not a pioneer but more of an idiot? I mean, you have the facts, your **** breaks at point X yet you pretend the rules don't apply and go past it? Pretty stupid. I know a Honda civic that has 720hp, and it lasted a week. Jussayin
On a stock motor? Nope. It would have disintegrated on the dyno during the initial tune buddy.
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Wasnt you the one who blew up?
Yea when I went E85 with 24* of timing. Pump gas was 14*
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Originally Posted by Sl0wbaltSS
pop pop pop, BOOM. ping ping ping. ERRR. $$$$ is what you get.
This guy has no idea what hes talking about. lol
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Originally Posted by BlackSSstg2
On a stock motor? Nope. It would have disintegrated on the dyno during the initial tune buddy.
I got your buddy swinging "buddy" here's the only vid I could find. It's not the same one but close enough ;-) More boost on the stock K20: 697whp is close enough, right? - Honda-Tech

I suggest you use Google before opening your mouth. Seems to be something I've noticed you do far too often.
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I'm 8.9:1 and have seen 28psi on 91 pump. That is why you lower cr to run lower grade fuel and still daily it anywhere
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pop pop pop, BOOM. ping ping ping. ERRR. $$$$ is what you get.
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10:1 with a supercharger is considered "ideal". Superchargers take power to make power because they are belt driven. Higher compression helps to alleviate this loss in the low rpm's by increasing efficiency of combustion throughout the powerband. Like blackss said, you compensate for this with tuning and a reduction in timing to meet the engine requirements. I have seen as high as 11.5:1 on 93pump gas on supercharged car's. And I have personally run 11:1 on 8psi on 93pump gas. It all depends on the tune and the fuel.
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Originally Posted by Spawne32
10:1 with a supercharger is considered "ideal". Superchargers take power to make power because they are belt driven. Higher compression helps to alleviate this loss in the low rpm's by increasing efficiency of combustion throughout the powerband. Like blackss said, you compensate for this with tuning and a reduction in timing to meet the engine requirements. I have seen as high as 11.5:1 on 93pump gas on supercharged car's. And I have personally run 11:1 on 8psi on 93pump gas. It all depends on the tune and the fuel.
I have no problem getting insta-tuned. I own HPT and know how to use it. I figured for MAF tuning I'd use 12ish* timing and once the MAF was squared away move up from there. All I have within 100 miles in any direction is 91, never had 93 in my life. There is an E85 station on the way to work though and I'd looooooove to do that.


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