last time i checked they did offer cams for our cars. and hptuners to your question.

 

If the 2.4 is the straddler I fail to see why they sold more then the 2.0 Clearly would have made more sense to turbo the 2.4 and call that the top model and cut the 2.0

 

I doubt you can do that.

 

I may be wrong, but last i read there was a dispute about power between the 2.2 and 2.4 becuase while 2.4 had better tuning options, they didnt have cams.

2.2 did not have as good tuning options, but had cams for builds.


and you are getting very specific. You say HP Tuners, but really that is tuning, and the 2.2 does have tuning. Thats like saying RX8's have something the cobalts don't have because they have tein coilovers. We have coilovers... just not the same company.

They sold more because they made more. and it was targeted has a high end econo box but with a high price tag... thats what made it a straddler. It also has to do with the 2.0 not being available in auto. If it was available in auto, more would have been sold by the people just wanting top end. Not to mention the 2.2 and 2.4 were targeted at a more general population where the 2.0 was targeted very specifically. It doesn't make sense to have two models targeted at the same population where the only difference is 30hp, and the option for leather at 5k more.

And to answer your question about the turbo.... because GM has already had the 2.0 as their 4 cylinder F/I car. They already had the LNF, why go through the R&D to make sure the 2.4 can handle long term F/I when the LNF was already proven

 

that sucks, say bye bye to any new aftermarket parts.

 

What aftermarket. We had like two parts made just for the LE5. Everything else was ripped off the L61

 

Just the opposite, you will see more and more push to get parts for the 2.2, not to say it will get as extensive, but low end civics have OODLES of aftermarket parts. This will begin, and like previously posted, alot of parts are universal for the two models so other than tuning and such, parts should be interchangeable

QFT... HP Tuners and ????

 

I bought mine for the 4-wheel disc brakes, the upgraded suspension and more power than the 2.2.... and got it WITHOUT leather. I didn't want leather, and seeing how badly every Cobalt leather seat looks after a year (or even a few months), I know I made the right choice.

 

Yea mine's not leather either, I wanted more power at a lower cost then the S/C or T/C. I also don't have a sun roof which made my car quite hard to find... I wasn't going to own a red car either. It came down to me having to fork out the extra cash to get a S/C if I wanted all those options but at the last minuted the dealer got a phone call from a dealership he had talked to before who had just got the car I eventually bought in with a trade somewhere in Indiana.

 

So my car is rare?

 

So the new models in 09 are going to have VVT and will be rated at or about 160hp. that 10hp is not going to be much of a difference. And like I said, I would not be surprised at all to see a 2.2 "Sport" model where they upgrade to 4 wheel discs and maybe even a better suspension set-up. It can be the new top end 2.2, the coupe equivalent to the LTZ.

 

Well the dealer I went through couldn't find ANYTHING that was 2.4L, no sun roof, had premium sound system, had traction control, was an auto, was not red, had the 4 disc brakes, and was a coupe. I actually ALMOST purchased a special edition but that had already sold and was white w/ black stripes.

 

ok so let me get this straight, now that the 1.5 % of 2.4 buyers has desolved (lets say 1% go into the 2.2) bringing the 2.2 sales up to 99%, this will make aftermarket companies go ***** deep for modding and tuning solutions? why would they go huge into aftermarket already since clearly the 2.2 out sells EVERY other line of cobalt prior to the 2.4 being taken away?? you know why, the 2.2 is NOT a performance engine, nor is the 2.4, but its still more performance orianted then the 2.2 (considering we have tuning solutions with HPtuners).

not to mention the LE5 is a second gen motor (second gen >first gen for many reasons).

there is only one reason they are discountining this motor, its that the price to manufacture it and place it in the cobalt costs to much per sales. simple as that. you dont need 8 years business to figure that one out.

455rocket did bring up a good point on the topic of compition, almost all other companies offer compition for the 2.4L, by taking it away, chevy buyers will stray towards other comapnies, because God knows i would not downgrade my 2.4L and go buy a 2.2L unless i had no plans to mod it, as i am sure no 2.0L would downgrade to a 2.2 or 2.4 unless it was not intended to be modded.

 

Why do low end civics have such a huge aftermarket? because there is demand. We are still a new car, demand will get there. Those 1 liter civic engines are not performance engines but they still have bolt ons out the ass. It has tuning because HP Tuners went for the 2.4 before the 2.2. It obviously makes more sense to go for the SS models before basemodels, but there is no reason to think that they will now snuff the 2.2

I agree with your statement on discontinuing the motor due to price, and thats what put the 2.4 in a bad market position. Power wise it was closer to the 2.2, price wise, it was closer to the 2.0. That is a bad place to be. because you will get people looking for price go for the 2.2, and you will get the people looking for power that will go to the 2.0

Might they lose sales? Yes, significant? no. You are thinking of it as the tuner point of view, people looking into modding and upgrades. the general public does not do that. 95% of cobalts on the road are stock. I would even say that the majority of SS/SC and SS/TC's will stay stock. People aren't looking to do what we do. We are a small small sample of users. And you cannot use OUR way of thinking to justify keeping a model that just simply did not make sense financially. GM is counting on losing some sales due to dropping the 2.4, that is called weeding out customers. They would rather we buy the econo 2.2 or the SS 2.0. You said it yourself, the 2.4 was too expensive for them to maintain, so instead of selling it, you hope customers will upgrade to the 2.0 or settle for a 2.2. If not, well then you lose them and dont have the expense of the 2.4 anymore.

No one is asking you to downgrade, but new consumers will have a new view of things.

2.2's - inexpensive, great gas mileage, lots of different levels to tailor to your liking (more will be offered, this has already started with the LT2 getting 5 spoke wheels in 08), the flexibility of coupe or sedan. The LT's will segregate themselves to the more upper end 2.2's and will likely have options that were only available in SS' (leather, 5 spokes, 4 wheel discs)

and the 2.0 - its sporty, different look, for the enthusiast, trade off low price for power, offered with better suspension.

I am not against the 2.4, I think it was a great car, I wish I had gotten one. But I have been trained to think like upper level management and I guarantee these were the conversations they had.

 

the cams do exist. there are only two methods of tuning for the 2.2. ones is fooling the computer with a piggyback or some other setup. the second, is trifecta, and is for the most part a canned tune. the cams do exist..theyve been around for about a year or two. you just dont hear anything about them. im simply giving you what you asked for. the 2.4 has the ability to use hpt, 2.2's do not. the 2.2 is just a motor designed to pull the load and get from a to b, while never being intended for extreme power. not to say 2.2 havent gone above and beyond.

 

Most who didnt want a DD and wanted a cobalt, got the SS/SC, others went with a DD.... the 2.4 is a great motor, but just not pushed enough commercially and not enough demand. They are ending it. Sucks for cobalt lovers (some dont care) but a smart business move. period.

 

clearimage is custom tuning for 2.2's. it is for most of us a canned tune, but for the guys close enough, they got a custom tune.

The 2.4 was the same thing until HP Tuners cracked it. Do you really feel that there will be no push to crack the 2.2's? especially when that is going to be most of the market? Someone is bound to do it.

QFT, the 2.4 was the middle child. Its only the small group of enthusiasts that will miss it and it is only a big deal because HP Tuners. If HP Tuners hadn't made tuning the for 2.4 there would be no one missing it.

 

Only reason the LE5 has tuning is because it shares the same ECM as the corvette with the E67, all HPT did was support the OS they did not go out of there way to support are cars. Just throwing that out there.

And the newer 2.2's will have tuning since they share their ECM with other cars that HPT is trying to support. I highly doubt that they will get to the E16a any time soon if ever.

 

2.4 gone completely from the GM line up?

 

No it looks like just the Cobalt and G5

 

I'd still miss it thank you very much...

 

haha

 

long story short the sale were not good enough for the ss/na aka sport, end result kill the production of that model to save money. Its a simple business move nothing new.

 

There is probably something behind the change from the SS to the Sport. Most people hear SS and think top of the line.

Now its just a Sport... they dont associate the same prestige with it. It may sound stupid, but thats what happenes. Losing the SS name probably impacted sales as well.

 

ya they dropped an s so its a cobalt s instead of ss