I think another point of all this Mike is some folks may not have ever owned a turbo car and may not be used to the tempermentalness of these beasts. My 400 hp Subaru, 280 whp Civic and built GSR were good reliable cars, but I'd have spent a fortune to get someone else to dial these beast in for me. It takes lots and lots of tuning time, careful supporting parts selection and knowledge. And I am talking about a modded factory turbo car not one with a bolt on kit and tuning.

Many tweaks adjustments, checks and worries accompany a hi output turbo motor. You don't just "bolt it on" and drive the **** out of it enjoying 260 whp like it comes without a price. If it was that easy, it'd have been done by everyone alot sooner than now.

Not to say that it can't be reliable, just that people have to know what they are doing, before during and after the install. If you don't know about cars, and are relying on a shop to make you your turbo monster for only $1500 more (with a bolt on kit) better have deep pockets for all the follow on work and tuning tweaking work boys (my .02 cents)

 

yeh I dont have the patience for those start ups again while runnin multiple errands

 

How many Nissan QR25's do you see putting 200 HP to the wheels N/A?
That's how many ECOTEC LE5's you'll see putting 200 HP to the wheels N/A.

The VE on this engine is very high for a streetable product. Expecting any sort of gains close to what the QR25's see will take the same kind of mutual support from manufacturers. In the case of the QR25 this Nissan Engineer, SCCA cup racer, journalist, and all around performance nerd, literally outlined every detail of what was needed for producing the maximum gains for bolt-ons and the result was just a few HP more at the wheels than stock crank HP. The guy told the manufacturers what to make, how to make it and what it would look like and QR25's still rarely touch the 200 HP mark to the wheels.
The QR25 and LE5 are VERY similar engines and expecting more from the LE5 short of building it up to run out past 8000 RPM isn't going to produce the proposed results.

Is it possible? Absolutely. But it's not streetable and it's far from a bolt-on affair.

 

Talk is cheap. Maybe it will break 200, maybe it won't... let's find out!

I'll let you know the results with full bolt-ons and cams (as soon as they're tested and released).

Money talks, BS walks!

 

I just caught this post even though this thread is a little old

since these cams are still in the test stages, shouldn't JBP be doing the tuning?

 

Help me out and post your post in the new JBP cams thread,maybe he will help me out

 

you can possibly add the SAAB intake manifold, its better than the one we have and its metal, ummmm my friend witha cavalier said he is gonna get one and put it on his car. It will probably mount up to the 2.4ecotec. Gains for 2.2ecotec turbocharged are about 10-15whp as for a 2.4na it will probably be less but for 130 bucks thats fine with me

 

Where did you get those #s from?

Also, it might mount up but the bolts for the throttle body might not be the same.

If you're planning on getting this manifold for an n/a 2.4, I think it might be a bit overkill.

Remember guys, intake velocity.

 

my friends got all the info, he told me where I can go to get the info but I forgot

 

Could you PLEASE try harder at being nondescript? I mean, you're almost approaching giving us some useful information, but not quite! We wouldn't want that to happen now would we?

/sarcasm

 

here is the information on one person actually doing the SAAB intake manifold swap on a cavalier 2.2eco. All you need to do is drill and tap a hole for the throttle body which is very easy if you got the proper tools and know what your doing. Also there is a little issue with the vacuum booster but the guy hasn't got to that point yet. My friend that told me about it said the easiest thing to do is run a vacuum hose to the little nipple thing from the CAI, and put a filter on the valve cover nipple thing. Other than that it bolts on easy. Price is 150-200 bucks, as for me my friend can get it for 130.

http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.ph...0&t=331050&p=1

 

any word from HAHN?? the turbo is taking forever
i want it soon. but i dont wanna wait 2 years. does anyone know someone from hahn that can give us an update on thier progress and maybe a est. date of release with whp/hp gains?

 

Don't post in threads if the info doesn't pertain to the thread's topic. Go make a post and ask the question instead of hijacking a thread.

 

hasn't anyone built a custom kit yet? they have tuning for your car if i'm not mistaken, and a well planned kit that you build yourself can end up costing you less cash than a pre-made kit. you could get piping fabbed with a nice garrett, a front mount, tuning and supporting mods for around the same price if not less than the hahn kit. if it hasn't happened yet, i am surprised!

 

Actually, the 2.2s don't have any type of tuning capabilites short of a standalone.

 

Yeah, I remember when that post was originally created (sadly lol).

Snowman was really the first person to really attempt it. Now my question for you is that what are the characteristic similarities between the jbody throttle bodies and yours. There might actually be different (as far as design). Never seen one in person so I couldn't answer if it would work or not.

 

well they stated that the manifold from the saab was also fitted with an elec TB.

 

Good point.

Might be the same.

 

really? wow i would think that someone would have cracked it by now!

 

Nope. HP Tuners is the closest thing that they'll get to and it's supposed to be out next year.

 

has anyone gotton the gmpp book and installed the adjustable cam gears?