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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 11:46 AM
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E85 vs Meth

Well it looks like 14* is all I can get for timing on 93 octane. I'm currently debating on e85 which is sold next to my house as well as my work. Or just stick with meth. Ideas? Opinions?
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 11:51 AM
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Methanol is more convenient then ethanol for daily driving if you go on long trips. Ethanol is safer all around if tuned for it as you have the supporting mods to run it. Methanol vs ethanol on power differences is quite a bit. Mainly midrange. With methanol it's harder to get more midrange timing unless your running a large enough nozzle. So ethanol is better but is less available. Methanol is avialable but needs high maintainer or you'll blow your ****
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Chevycobaltss3
Methanol is more convenient then ethanol for daily driving if you go on long trips. Ethanol is safer all around if tuned for it as you have the supporting mods to run it. Methanol vs ethanol on power differences is quite a bit. Mainly midrange. With methanol it's harder to get more midrange timing unless your running a large enough nozzle. So ethanol is better but is less available. Methanol is avialable but needs high maintainer or you'll blow your ****
This in a nutnshell. And don't go by "it's sold near......." I used to have a station 4 blocks from work. They ditched e85 for biodiesel. Bye bye work station. Then one time I forgot to fill up after work, drove the car way past my comfort zone, rolled in with a 17 mile range to empty only to find they were out of e85.

I love e, but yeah if you do long trips it's very very bad, you may not have a station in range. And if a station decides to drop it, be prepared to retune and have a backup plan.
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by alleycat58
This in a nutnshell. And don't go by "it's sold near......." I used to have a station 4 blocks from work. They ditched e85 for biodiesel. Bye bye work station. Then one time I forgot to fill up after work, drove the car way past my comfort zone, rolled in with a 17 mile range to empty only to find they were out of e85.

I love e, but yeah if you do long trips it's very very bad, you may not have a station in range. And if a station decides to drop it, be prepared to retune and have a backup plan.
that's one reason e85 is a no go for me. that, and there is only 1 station thats not even close to me that sells it. sucks, but oh well. meth is working like a charm though and ya dont go through it that fast. unless of course your meth line pops out of the injector and you are pumping half a gallon through the line without knowing it. oops...
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 01:24 PM
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Im on e47 and running a 7gph meth nozzel. Thought about ditching the meth and going full e but idk I have a a different vehicle that I take on trips. What kind of maintenance does a meth kit need?
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 01:31 PM
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now that i had my meth line pop out of the injector, i check it every few days (just gotta pop the hood and look, easy as that). other than that, i just make sure the pump activates when turn my car on, but i have an LED that lets me know that, so not much maintenance really other than keeping the tank filled
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 02:17 PM
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Lol ok ive never had any issues with my meth kit had almost 2 years now
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 05:40 PM
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I thought about converting but three different shops told me keep the water/meth as itll keep the gas mileage and the performance is about the same
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 07:21 PM
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Only thing thats stopping me is that only 1 station carries it next to my house. And 2 near my work. I work 40 miles from home. No stations between. Do stations really just "run out" sometimes?
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mindrot
Only thing thats stopping me is that only 1 station carries it next to my house. And 2 near my work. I work 40 miles from home. No stations between. Do stations really just "run out" sometimes?
Stations could run out of anything...just depends on manager/owner forgets or is super busy and sells out
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 07:52 PM
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I thought about converting but three different shops told me keep the water/meth as itll keep the gas mileage and the performance is about the same
The MPG you lose you gain back with the cheap price of E compared to 93.

Me and James have been working on my tune and i'll be running a blend very soon.
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 07:54 PM
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ive had stations randomly run out but its not often...i ran meth for awhile and then switched to e85 and noticed a dramatic difference...if thers stations close and ur not driving all over hell and back then i d say swap to e85
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 08:55 PM
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E85 doesn't fail and pops a piston like Meth Kits tend to.

E85 is ******* win all around.

I've been told if your on E85 and can't find a station, you CAN (SHOULDN'T), but CAN run 93 oct and limp it to the nearest station with E85, JUST NO WOT, and no high rpm. LOL
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 09:17 PM
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Who ever told you that sir is stupid...... Lol, no matter what when you drive and try to not hit loads you hit loads that are worse. Low end load... Boom
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Old Jul 3, 2012 | 09:51 PM
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Old Jul 4, 2012 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by donkeyballs
The MPG you lose you gain back with the cheap price of E compared to 93.

Me and James have been working on my tune and i'll be running a blend very soon.
minus the fact ill waste more time/mileage/gas going to the one gas station 10 minutes away all the time. lol
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Old Jul 4, 2012 | 10:07 AM
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If you wanna make power on a 2.4 e85 is 100% needed I personally love the stuff
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Old Jul 4, 2012 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by mmcgee123
If you wanna make power on a 2.4 e85 is 100% needed I personally love the stuff
I've talked to a few LE5's such as yourself and it appears that everyone has issues getting more than 14* timing on 93 octane. E85 sounds like the logical solution.
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