I/H/E/T and Cams Dyno?
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Well I had all of that minus the cams and put down 186 / 177 on a mustang dyno
I dont think anyone had/ has finshed there build with cams as of yet.
Click here for Dyno Sheet
I dont think anyone had/ has finshed there build with cams as of yet.
Click here for Dyno Sheet
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Well I had all of that minus the cams and put down 186 / 177 on a mustang dyno
I dont think anyone had/ has finshed there build with cams as of yet.
Click here for Dyno Sheet
I dont think anyone had/ has finshed there build with cams as of yet.
Click here for Dyno Sheet
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I'm over 205 crank with bolt ons and my buddy is at 209
with intake, tune, headers, dp, catback, you should be between 205 - 210 crank HP (roughly 168 WHP).
I don't know where REDFOCZ is getting 186 WHP from on a mustang dyno , but that would be about 220 crank HP (47 more than stock), and I have a hard time believing this... maybe the temperature factor was messed up
225 crank is what you should be looking at with cams on top of that (so roughly what REDFOCZ is at now)
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oh that's easily doable without cams
I'm over 205 crank with bolt ons and my buddy is at 209
with intake, tune, headers, dp, catback, you should be between 205 - 210 crank HP (roughly 168 WHP).
I don't know where REDFOCZ is getting 186 WHP from on a mustang dyno , but that would be about 220 crank HP (47 more than stock), and I have a hard time believing this... maybe the temperature factor was messed up
225 crank is what you should be looking at with cams on top of that (so roughly what REDFOCZ is at now)
I'm over 205 crank with bolt ons and my buddy is at 209
with intake, tune, headers, dp, catback, you should be between 205 - 210 crank HP (roughly 168 WHP).
I don't know where REDFOCZ is getting 186 WHP from on a mustang dyno , but that would be about 220 crank HP (47 more than stock), and I have a hard time believing this... maybe the temperature factor was messed up
225 crank is what you should be looking at with cams on top of that (so roughly what REDFOCZ is at now)
I am not sure of what mine would have pulled on a Mustang. I think this whole issue is a grey area though that's why I asked for a dyno with cams, mustang or dynojet. I know some guys on here have the cams and complete bolt ons...be nice if they see this and post up ANY dyno.
oh that's easily doable without cams
I'm over 205 crank with bolt ons and my buddy is at 209
with intake, tune, headers, dp, catback, you should be between 205 - 210 crank HP (roughly 168 WHP).
I don't know where REDFOCZ is getting 186 WHP from on a mustang dyno , but that would be about 220 crank HP (47 more than stock), and I have a hard time believing this... maybe the temperature factor was messed up
225 crank is what you should be looking at with cams on top of that (so roughly what REDFOCZ is at now)
I'm over 205 crank with bolt ons and my buddy is at 209
with intake, tune, headers, dp, catback, you should be between 205 - 210 crank HP (roughly 168 WHP).
I don't know where REDFOCZ is getting 186 WHP from on a mustang dyno , but that would be about 220 crank HP (47 more than stock), and I have a hard time believing this... maybe the temperature factor was messed up
225 crank is what you should be looking at with cams on top of that (so roughly what REDFOCZ is at now)
i;ve seen a guy claim 203whp out in cali about a year ago...and cobeezy calimed 212whp...not sure if that was with his build head or not. And never seen any dyno sheets just claims. Both those guys had full bolt-ons and jbp cams.
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Yeah I found those in searching...wish I could have a print out to show MR RSX what for.
...no they havent 
at least not with JUST those mods. The fastest NA 2.2 ecotec was a cavalier with around 240whp and more money put into the motor than the car cost when it was new. if you said 200whp, i might believe you..but i would be amazed if a car would put down 220whp with bolt ons and cams only. If it does, i would say they have a happy dyno, and request a second pull on a different dyno
at least not with JUST those mods. The fastest NA 2.2 ecotec was a cavalier with around 240whp and more money put into the motor than the car cost when it was new. if you said 200whp, i might believe you..but i would be amazed if a car would put down 220whp with bolt ons and cams only. If it does, i would say they have a happy dyno, and request a second pull on a different dyno
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Also, GTP.....where have you been man??
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I think that was after everything was all said and done on his build. I hung out with him and a few other VA Beach guys last summer for a weekend. I rolled around with Justin (cobeeezy) quite a bit. At the time he was missing 3rd gear, and even so, that thing was still quick.
Also, GTP.....where have you been man??
Also, GTP.....where have you been man??
I do still miss the Cobalt. It was a great sleeper.
...no they havent
at least not with JUST those mods. The fastest NA 2.2 ecotec was a cavalier with around 240whp and more money put into the motor than the car cost when it was new. if you said 200whp, i might believe you..but i would be amazed if a car would put down 220whp with bolt ons and cams only. If it does, i would say they have a happy dyno, and request a second pull on a different dyno
at least not with JUST those mods. The fastest NA 2.2 ecotec was a cavalier with around 240whp and more money put into the motor than the car cost when it was new. if you said 200whp, i might believe you..but i would be amazed if a car would put down 220whp with bolt ons and cams only. If it does, i would say they have a happy dyno, and request a second pull on a different dyno
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Hey White- was hangin out on Bimmerforums (BMW 540) and now I drive a Maxima SE. Although I still miss the Cobalt guys. I stop in every now and then for a look see on you NA guys. I still can't believe no one has a I/H/E/Cams and tune dyno for me to rub in some unbeliver's faces. Am I going to have to come back here and get a NA 2.4 just so I can do it..
I do still miss the Cobalt. It was a great sleeper.
I do still miss the Cobalt. It was a great sleeper.
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Drivetrain loss; it's not 12%
Here's my simple n easy calcuylation: we dyno stock at about ~144 to 148whp, and 173 crank
144/173 = 0.83 ; so about 17%
this will answer your questions:
https://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt...ws1.php?id=175
and about tuning, this is an NA 4-banger, so there's no miracles you can make out of a tune, we're not boosted.
pple get about +10whp with an HP Tuners tune on average, if the A/F ratio is adjusted properly
dyno jet numbers mean nothing; it's only good for tuning
there's other threads in this section and many pple were agreeing that without cams it's impossible to go over 200whp (unless ure juicing her up)
do the calc per mod:
CAI: +7 to 8 whp (about 10 crank)
DP: + 1 to 2 whp (about 2 crank)
Header: + 4 to 5 whp (about 7 crank)
Tune: + 10 whp (about 12 crank)
Catback: +1 whp (about 1 crank)
Total = 144 + 8 + 2 + 5 + 10 + 1 = 170 whp
Unless you find a magical intake that gives you 20 whp and a downpipe + header combo that gives you another 20 whp.... and good luck with that
Those would be gains you would get with a 5.0L V8 engine, not a 2.4 LE5
Here's my simple n easy calcuylation: we dyno stock at about ~144 to 148whp, and 173 crank
144/173 = 0.83 ; so about 17%
this will answer your questions:
https://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt...ws1.php?id=175
and about tuning, this is an NA 4-banger, so there's no miracles you can make out of a tune, we're not boosted.
pple get about +10whp with an HP Tuners tune on average, if the A/F ratio is adjusted properly
dyno jet numbers mean nothing; it's only good for tuning
there's other threads in this section and many pple were agreeing that without cams it's impossible to go over 200whp (unless ure juicing her up)
do the calc per mod:
CAI: +7 to 8 whp (about 10 crank)
DP: + 1 to 2 whp (about 2 crank)
Header: + 4 to 5 whp (about 7 crank)
Tune: + 10 whp (about 12 crank)
Catback: +1 whp (about 1 crank)
Total = 144 + 8 + 2 + 5 + 10 + 1 = 170 whp
Unless you find a magical intake that gives you 20 whp and a downpipe + header combo that gives you another 20 whp.... and good luck with that
Those would be gains you would get with a 5.0L V8 engine, not a 2.4 LE5
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Drivetrain loss; it's not 12%
Here's my simple n easy calcuylation: we dyno stock at about ~144 to 148whp, and 173 crank
144/173 = 0.83 ; so about 17%
this will answer your questions:
https://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt...ws1.php?id=175
and about tuning, this is an NA 4-banger, so there's no miracles you can make out of a tune, we're not boosted.
pple get about +10whp with an HP Tuners tune on average, if the A/F ratio is adjusted properly
dyno jet numbers mean nothing; it's only good for tuning
there's other threads in this section and many pple were agreeing that without cams it's impossible to go over 200whp (unless ure juicing her up)
do the calc per mod:
CAI: +7 to 8 whp (about 10 crank)
DP: + 1 to 2 whp (about 2 crank)
Header: + 4 to 5 whp (about 7 crank)
Tune: + 10 whp (about 12 crank)
Catback: +1 whp (about 1 crank)
Total = 144 + 8 + 2 + 5 + 10 + 1 = 170 whp
Unless you find a magical intake that gives you 20 whp and a downpipe + header combo that gives you another 20 whp.... and good luck with that
Those would be gains you would get with a 5.0L V8 engine, not a 2.4 LE5
Here's my simple n easy calcuylation: we dyno stock at about ~144 to 148whp, and 173 crank
144/173 = 0.83 ; so about 17%
this will answer your questions:
https://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt...ws1.php?id=175
and about tuning, this is an NA 4-banger, so there's no miracles you can make out of a tune, we're not boosted.
pple get about +10whp with an HP Tuners tune on average, if the A/F ratio is adjusted properly
dyno jet numbers mean nothing; it's only good for tuning
there's other threads in this section and many pple were agreeing that without cams it's impossible to go over 200whp (unless ure juicing her up)
do the calc per mod:
CAI: +7 to 8 whp (about 10 crank)
DP: + 1 to 2 whp (about 2 crank)
Header: + 4 to 5 whp (about 7 crank)
Tune: + 10 whp (about 12 crank)
Catback: +1 whp (about 1 crank)
Total = 144 + 8 + 2 + 5 + 10 + 1 = 170 whp
Unless you find a magical intake that gives you 20 whp and a downpipe + header combo that gives you another 20 whp.... and good luck with that
Those would be gains you would get with a 5.0L V8 engine, not a 2.4 LE5
no i'm thinking they can make up about 20-25 whp.. and considering the dyno he went on is a notoriously low reading dyno.. AND his tune wasn't pusshed super hard... he thought on a another dyno and a bit of a tune tweak 200 could've been hit or at least 195
and pat .. no dynos mean anything..
most of the 5 speeds dyno more then 144..
and man you're way off on your estimates...
the downpips on these cars blow... so does the header.. and tune...
and pat .. no dynos mean anything..
most of the 5 speeds dyno more then 144..
and man you're way off on your estimates...
the downpips on these cars blow... so does the header.. and tune...
Drivetrain loss; it's not 12%
Here's my simple n easy calcuylation: we dyno stock at about ~144 to 148whp, and 173 crank
144/173 = 0.83 ; so about 17%
this will answer your questions:
https://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt...ws1.php?id=175
and about tuning, this is an NA 4-banger, so there's no miracles you can make out of a tune, we're not boosted.
pple get about +10whp with an HP Tuners tune on average, if the A/F ratio is adjusted properly
dyno jet numbers mean nothing; it's only good for tuning
there's other threads in this section and many pple were agreeing that without cams it's impossible to go over 200whp (unless ure juicing her up)
do the calc per mod:
CAI: +7 to 8 whp (about 10 crank)
DP: + 1 to 2 whp (about 2 crank)
Header: + 4 to 5 whp (about 7 crank)
Tune: + 10 whp (about 12 crank)
Catback: +1 whp (about 1 crank)
Total = 144 + 8 + 2 + 5 + 10 + 1 = 170 whp
Unless you find a magical intake that gives you 20 whp and a downpipe + header combo that gives you another 20 whp.... and good luck with that
Those would be gains you would get with a 5.0L V8 engine, not a 2.4 LE5
Here's my simple n easy calcuylation: we dyno stock at about ~144 to 148whp, and 173 crank
144/173 = 0.83 ; so about 17%
this will answer your questions:
https://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt...ws1.php?id=175
and about tuning, this is an NA 4-banger, so there's no miracles you can make out of a tune, we're not boosted.
pple get about +10whp with an HP Tuners tune on average, if the A/F ratio is adjusted properly
dyno jet numbers mean nothing; it's only good for tuning
there's other threads in this section and many pple were agreeing that without cams it's impossible to go over 200whp (unless ure juicing her up)
do the calc per mod:
CAI: +7 to 8 whp (about 10 crank)
DP: + 1 to 2 whp (about 2 crank)
Header: + 4 to 5 whp (about 7 crank)
Tune: + 10 whp (about 12 crank)
Catback: +1 whp (about 1 crank)
Total = 144 + 8 + 2 + 5 + 10 + 1 = 170 whp
Unless you find a magical intake that gives you 20 whp and a downpipe + header combo that gives you another 20 whp.... and good luck with that
Those would be gains you would get with a 5.0L V8 engine, not a 2.4 LE5
You can't throw estimated numbers for each mod, add them together and say this is what it will make. There is a dyno thread with several 2.4 dyno sheets. My self with a intake and axle back on a mustang dynoed 148whp and 159whp after tune. 200whp is not acheivable with just your basic I/E/H/DP/tune but you throw cams in and its deffiantly possible especially someone who can play around with the tune. We really just haven't had enough guys attempt it and when they do so far none have provided dyno sheets....kinda hard to give an honest answer either way if it doesn't hit 200 its gonna be pretty close.
i think he knows that. Im pretty sure thats why he said catback only adds 1hp, because he's compensating for the fact that, lie you said, you cant just add up individual gains to get the total gain
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Word. I had wondered what had ever happened to you. I have all of that minus the cams. But like I said, my friend Justin (cobeeezy) has all that PLUS a built motor/beefy clutch and I witnessed that car firsthand. I believe his claimed 212whp number. I wonder if he has the sheet to post up.
