Not sure about a rear mount Turbo technology??

Turbos have been traditionally put in the engine compartment on smaller displacement engines to reduce lag. Header mounted Turbos are a complex and costly install and often require major changes and modifications. Moreover, the Turbos are exposed to excessive heat beyond what they generate during air compression leading to the myth that Turbos run super hot. Our system runs cool and with the V8 driving it, Lag is not an issue. Another big advantage is time and cost. Rear mount saves a ton of time and money. ie. On our twin turbo design for the Mustang, you use a traditional X-pipe and the only thing you need to relocate is the battery.


Taken off this site...http://www.jmsproductsinc.com/Performance.html

This turbo technology is definetly better than "just bearly better than N/A"

 

Stop Filling the Forum With ****. Go to Sreetfire and Post all you like. That place is the E-Dumpster of the Internet.

So basically, I'm sorry if I make you cry or hurt your Mangina. Suck it up and admit you know not about what you type. I didn't call you anything. Just pointing out that that post was not helpfull at all. It's like "Pee-Wee Herman" talking about his Bodybuilding Techniques.


Is that really the best you could do. "E-Threats"

Everything is Fight, Punch, Bash when you are really have nothing better to do than pertend that DLS=WWE. Get some Popcorn and some Kerri Lotion and have yourself a nice night watching "Re-Runs of the View" on TIVO.

 

I've read this book, in hopes to grasp a better understanding of how twincharging will work in my car and nowhere in this Bible for turbos does Corky Bell mention anything about rear mounted turbos.

 

I looked at the sight and the prices on the turbo kits are 2-3 times as much as a normal kit. your cheapest kit is 5,200 and a turbo kit for a 2.2 cobalt is 1,500.

 

More expensive and not to mention, how the hell do they get the oil to the bearing and back to the oil pan without a pump. Mechanical nightmare!

Basically I know that the pump is used, just a big Pain in the ass and one more thing to break.

If oil backs up at the bottom outlet, the oil will not flow, the bearing will overheat and fail.

$1500.00 Redneck Rollercoaster Rebuild...

 

Not to mention when it rains the hot turbo will hit the water and cool down and heat back up over and over. It will be warped in no time.

 

the asshat comment was uncalled for.
I've never stooped to calling people names for making an incorrect statement.
I didn't think you would, makes me laugh actually. Its all good.

anyway, follow my line of thought here. Why does a forced induction engine need an interooler..? it needs to cool the air coming from the device (pick one) since air moving faster/being compressed increases in temperature....blah, blah, blah....and since a turbo pushes out air up to say 200 degrees thats not great for our intake unless it runs through a bigger intercooler. Although a turbo will normally compress the intake air more efficiently than a mechanical supercharger.
I said efficient boost and the heat from (there was a typo, I didn't mean on) the turbo that you get when its in the engine bay...this is for our cars, possibly being twin charged, would not be as efficient as a remote mounted one.

 

Agreed, But it was funny!

Sorry.

Basically, Lag is the problem with a turbo.

-Reducing the distance that the Ex has to hit the Turbine Lessens it.

-Reducing the Length of the intake also lessens it.

So in this case of REAR MOUNT. The lag has been Amplified by the design. The reason these people are saying that the kit has very little lag is because they are running Tiny Turbos at Low Boost.

Viable as a Gag, Yes.
For the rest of us, it falls very short in soundness.


I would like to correct you a Bit on your assumption. The Turbo does not make the heat the way you think. It's the action of making Pressure, not moving air that creates the heat.

A Small turbo Making 4 Psi will make very little heat. Ask too much pressure of the turbine in pressure and/or volume and it will make more heat as it starts to leave it's "Happy Operation Zone"

If you need more pressure, You can Swap out the Turbo for a larger one and get the pressure you need at less heat. but you will spool later. Add a FMIC and you can basically run higher boost with the same heat and maintain the early boost. Win Win, The FMIC has almost no neative excet a minor pressure drop and increased intake length.

The Plumbing on this kit runs under the car, it's very unlikely that it cools at all plus it weighs a ******* Ton. Short Runners to a turbo and the shortest intake plumbing is the key to reducing lag. Running an Intercooler lengthens the intake system alot but the Gains are well worth the trade in intake length.

 

yea, it was funny...

 

woa...what an interesting and informative thread....thanks Brian, now everyone relax!

 

same could be said for the wastegate.......crack!

 

Kewl, I like to make sure things are depected properly.

BTW: My heartbeat never went over 43.

 

I call BS.... mine went up from laughing...

 

Those Rear mounts make no power! Enough said. Lets all get 20 extra horses and shat ourselves. haha

 

I think street-graffiti would have to disagree with that statement...although I haven't seen it run. There is a local GTO with a remote turbo that hauls a$$.

 

Wow Brian, once again you are talking about stuff that you know nothing about (i.e. centrifugal superchargers).
http://www.ststurbo.com/industry_experts read it, learn it, love it and then stop talking.

STS turbo systems are very efficient and make a lot of power.

Alex47, Brian, P7x, and SwissDSMSS you four need to go do some more research before you tell someone else they know nothing.

p7x, what year was that book written?

 

Go find a serious remote mount system that only makes 20 extra bhp, then post it here.

 

No ****, remote mounts are only about 4 years old in their current state. I'm willing to bet that book is at least 10 years old. No wonder there no information on them in there.

Also, if you guys actually took the time to look at the site I posted you'd realize that company is using a few different setups on those mustangs. One of them happen to use a single remote mounted 90+ mm turbo that cranks out over 800whp on Cobra. Who here has a car that can **** with that...show of hands...that's right, no one.

Even some of the best whipple blowers on the Cobras can't get those numbers.

 

ok so remote turbo is expensive ... it may have the least possiblity for gains and may have one of the higher possiblities for failure when trying to create more power ... now lets say your car was not a daily driver and there was absolutely no room for a turbo in the engine bay ... would the ability to make even 8psi be better or worse than being stock? I know your past posts regarding turbos and superchargers were awesome but not once did you knock the application of any method. Why the negative tone on a different type of application for adding horse power?

 

Because he can't find anything to copy and paste about remote mounted systems. They aren't always more expensive and they dont offer the least possibility for gains or highest possibility for failure. Same thing with centrifugal superchargers.

 

I believe it was 1997, so ya if STS has only been around for 4 years, that would explain it. I don't have an extensive knowledge of the system, never said I did, but enough to state my opinion. So someone made a rear mounted turbo work. Let's look at some other things people have made work.

Flying car - that idea never took off


The Wasey Gun


IMO if the system was superior or even close to being equivilent, why haven't I heard any good things about it, why is not used in conventional vehicles (cept maybe 1). Racing development teams are always trying to find new ways to make horsepower. If its made it from concept to racing to passenger vehicles and other general applications, than its been proven, again IMO.

Wasey, what year did you become god of idiots, cuz i think you're up for re-election.

 

Not to jump in or anything but thats gotta be the most biased source of info you could find.

 

With your sense of humor or lack there of and pessimistic outlook I am sure there are tons of things you have never heard of. That does not mean they don't work. Re-election...hahaha you are not funny at all.

 

The flying car is sweet, a good idea. But whoever designed that gun was very dumb, they are losing alot of revenue from the lack of returning costumers. I bet they had virtually none.

 

Yeah really biased... Kenny Duttweiler - Duttweiler Performance, Inc.
(Longtime "Turbo God" Kenny Duttweiler has a well-established reputation as the finest turbo tuner in all of drag racing.)

"Squires Turbo Systems' remote-mounted turbos have solved all of the problems associated with traditional engine-mounted turbo systems. The intense underhood heat a turbo generates has been eliminated and you no longer need to punch a hole in your oil pan or cut up the front of the vehicle for an intercooler. Emissions should be really good too with mounting the turbocharger after the catalytic converter."

http://www.ststurbo.com/ls1_camaro_dyno

Does the site being about remote systems some how change the numbers or that remote systems do in fact work and work good??