I was going to say that myself if someone didn't beat me to it. I feel stupider just for reading this thread.

 

turbo would be easier and more efficient but suit your own taste...

 

i think this guy is in way over his head and doesn't know what he is getting into.

can't just order and slap on go-fast parts...

 

LOL, this whole thread is hilariously stupid.
But I have to know, if you have tons of money, and plan on supercharging, why didnt you get the ss/sc?

 

That's what we were wondering at midnight last night...

 

I don't know where to begin.

Good luck is all I'm gonna say.

 

sorry i was late. I cant be up that late, I have to get up early for work

 

i wanted the 2.4 because over all it has more potential...Also i jsut got off the phone with a old friend of mine and im just gonna have headers intake pistons and rods made through a friend he has that has ran made him stuff for a 2.4L eco-tech be4 so im just gonna go all custom...and im not looking to just slap on and go fast lol you guys draw conclusions very easy when u dont know people dont you. Anyways if any of u guys live in GA or Alabama give me a message in a few months if you doubt the 2.4 over the 2.0 and we will see results im not here to dis the 2.0 but its already been proven the 2.4 can reach more over-all power than the 2.0 in 05 the fastest 4 cylinder chevy had at the time was the new 2.4 ecotech that was turned into a ralli car that happnes to be the guy that im getting to make my parts soo...when the results come in ill post so if ur actually interested into getting good HP out of ur 2.4 just message me AFTER i post results im not here to talk BS over a computer screen like some peeps are doing here lol but its cool no matter where u go theres doubters and haters so live on and get over it:P

 

2.4's werent designed to "roast" SRT-4's. Thats more of the 2.0SS/SC's job. Granted we can do it, but takes alot of work. And what exactly is a stage 3???? This isn't a Roush Mustang where you can choose the stages of modifications that come on it. I'm just running simple bolt-on, but its not making much difference until I get HP Tuners, as the cat-less downpipe throws like 4 CEL's therefore hindering my performance.

p.s.- Its "ECOTEC" not "ECO-TECH"

 

actually there was a guy from ohio that was on this site when i first joined that him and his buddy had come together with a "stage 3" so to speak and was hitting over 300 WHP dunno if hes still here its been AWHILE since ive been on besides last night.

 

Ok Squeeks, Heres the thing bud. I understand your reasoning for getting the 2.4L as I kept telling myself that the bigger engine has far more HP/TQ potential than the 2.0L.

As for going supercharged, I am developing a whipple s/c kit for the 2.4 and should be completed and in testing within a month or so.

As for Speed-Mafia/Alpine I carry all of their kits, and can sell them to you all cheaper than what they can.

As for the Garrett 2.2 kit, So far I offer the kit cheapest than any other vendor (CPP is the only other vendor to list it on theire site, and i beat theire price by $200).

As for potential upgrades, depends on what you want to do.

If you want to go supercharged, forget about the Cold Air/Short Ram intake since youd be spending your money twice, unless you dont mind spending your money on a intake now..then selling it later.

Headers, Ive heard good things/bad things about the headers available. So far, GMPP Header is the only one ive seen with nothing but praises from.

BUT if I had $4k Personaly I would do:

Garrett GT Tuner Turbo Kit: $3000 vs Retails: $3200 (Save $200) http://www.tntautosport.com/store/in...roducts_id=153

TWM Short Throw Shifter: $145 vs Retails: $169.95 (Save $24.95) http://www.tntautosport.com/store/in...roducts_id=157

Eibach Pro Lowering Springs: $225 vs Retails: $369 (Save $144)
http://www.tntautosport.com/store/in...products_id=23

Total is $3,370 (Not Including Shipping)

 

holy **** you guys are no damn help...crap well the only thing holding us back from boost right now is the tuning on our ecm....otherwise we are ready to go....and no our engine wont make 16-18 psi stock but with internal work done it will easily handle that....**** guys just cuz it isnt a ss/sc doesnt mean you need to ****** hate on him...trust me once we get a reliably tuned ecm we will be giving the ss/sc'd and all of its current contendors a run for their money....

 

I agree with you Mike. Theres no replacement for displacement ya know! If a boosted 2.0 is quick then a boosted 2.4 with the benifit of VVT running the same boost should be much faster! True the SS/SC guys don't want to hear this but its true. I point to the SRT4 as a good compair. True our engines are different but they should be on par with each other.

Now I'll never see boost in my SS cause its just not worth it to me cause I'm gonna be giving my car to my oldest daughter in a couple years when I buy my Vette. Wifie already gave it her stamp of approval so I'm just waiting til the Balt is paid off and its hello Corvette!

 

Yeah! Imagine If we did a K20/M62/2.4/VVT swap!! Torqueless, supercharged, stroked, with DUAL cam technology! Doood I woulD decimate aLl1!!!L

 

yea thats what im sayin...2.0's just dont wanna admit wel be king(for the most part) if it ever does happen.....lol and yea the vette is probably the ultimate uprgrade package for your cobalt....id take that any day

 

Dude your not right! LMAO!

The Corvette is a stage 200 kit as thats the amount of HP it adds to the base Balts!

 

lol its nice to see im not the only "retard" that knows this engine can handle 16 boost...i mean i just got off the phone with tim with the turbo charger for sale and he said he knows guys with 8 lbs of HP on the stock engine. so an extra 16 lbs wont be much but i am calling this guy tomorrow about making internals fit some how...some way...i know it can be done...i mean have u guys read the injector upgrade thats going on in the forums...chevys engines are diferent....but there not THAT different...if ANY guy can figure it out anytime soon he can...so ill keep u guys posted cause if he can maybe if you guys are interested i can set up some group buys maybe if we can do it...but if you guys are interested if i can get pistons and rods mainly pistons beings there are rods for the 2.4 let me know cause im sure i can get this guy to cut me a deal he owns my grandfather a hella lot of favors. so for the guys who think im not absoutely crazy let me know cause im calling him tomorrow.

 

"And yes Stage 3..dunno what the hell else to call it.."

i knew right there-

a. this is a joke.

or

b. you are way in over your head.


I don't know where you guys are getting your "the 2.4 has more potential over all" bs. Fact- the stock 2.0 can handle more stress. The 2.0 is square, so it is better suited for boost as opposed to the longer stroked 2.4. The money you will spend on internals to get a 2.4 to handle 16 psi (you are way too wrapped up in psi btw) could go into a slight stroker making a 2.0 into a 2.2 with much stronger internals and give it TONS of potential. The stock 2.0 tranny is likely stronger than the 2.4 tranny's, the axles are likely stronger, and the 2.0 has better suspension for racing purposes. I think some of you are forgetting that a turbo has far less parasitic loss than a blower. The 2.0's running around 300whp are feeling the stress of 350+whp if they had an efficient turbo setup as opposed to the stock blower, so saying the 2.4 can handle more power stock is just plain not true. If the 2.4 could handle more power that easily, the 2.0 wouldn't even exist. Chevy isn't interested in rally racing, what reason would they have to stay 2.0?! They would have never created the lsj if the 2.4 had that much more potential, they would have just dropped the cr on the 2.4 and bolted on a blower, simple as that.

 

The 2.4 SS and the 2.0 SS/SC cars share the exact same suspension, I checked when I worked for GM The only difference is the axle length and the SS/SC cars have a slightly quicker steering ratio. The transmissons (the automatics at least) have been prooved to over 250 WHP with supercharged 2.2 ECO's in Cavi's. Your right that the turbo setup would require less boost to net the same #'s due to parisitic power lose of the supercharger. Would the 2.4 be a better engine then the 2.0? Apples to oranges which do you prefer? I like apples myself. As for the 2.0 in stock form its rods give out around what 300 hp? So it would seem to get any real HP you need to do some internal work to the 2.0 also. Not hating the 2.0 just saying the 2.4 is bigger and in engines bigger is always better for more HP. I don't think anyone here is talking about a 350 hp+ monster 4 banger I think its more or less..."Hmm, what if?" and its that what if thinking that leads to new ideas and faster cars.

BTW the 2.4 didn't come out till well after the 2.0 had started life. The VVT technology is also another possibility that GM didn't do as you suggested. Remember major car manufacturers have to meet emission standards and fuel economy standars as well. Perhapps GM just couldn't get the 2.4 VVT boosted engine to meet California state standards. Then what? Produce a car that can be sold only in certain states? That wouldn't work.

 

no one said stock engine vs stock engine the 2.4 is better 8cd read the thread and i didnt say stage 3 for the 2.4 i was saying that the 2.0 at stage 3 is 300 horses which is like taking and maxing that poor engine with upgrades available...tomorrow ill have some answers so quit the whining and argueing its stupid even ive said stupid stuff on here so just wait till tomorrow arounf 5 PM EST and ill have u guys some answers Until then drive hard BTW if you guys havent looked into the injector upgrade with the 2.2 harness for the 2.4 you guys should it seems to be going pretty well if you follow the correct way its being done. Im thinking if all goes well #34 injectors on some new internals will open up a good bit of HP for the 2.4 lovers out there

By the way right now this is what im looking into:

#34 injector upgrade (from stock SS/SC Injectors)
Fitting upgraded lower compression pistons
Rods
Cam
Catback
Supercharger/Turbo (whatever u prefer) Tim might be dragging me into the turbo set up his turbo kit he posted on other page is quite something else great for this type of car.
proper tuning for SC/turbo/injector upgrades with new compression and were looking at smoking a stage 3 SS/SC id put moeny on it.

When i talked to tim about the turbo he is offering they lined the stock 2.4 with that turbo on it and a few other minor mods against the 2.0 SC stage 2 and smoked it on take-off and roll...so im hoping this guy will take the time to make a killer breakthrough which from knowing him as i do im sure he will he already told me he would help me with looking for parts which at the time was GM and turn up as u guys no NOTHING..nothing worth investing into at the moment anyways.

So if i can get hold of some pistons what do u guys think? im open for some ideas/suggestion im still not sure of what all if out for the 2.4 yet so fire away

 

If by the logic that the smaller engine is better equiped at making high horse power GM would never have bothered with the 350 they would have stuck with the 305.

Besides according to this thread https://www.cobaltss.net/forums//showthread.php?t=50372 a 200+ hp 2.4 SS is actualy possible with just bolt ons! Now I'm not some kid who fell off a truck yesterday I've been around the block a time or two and it seems like it may be true. I'm now planning this build for my car along with a tune by DOC and I'm hoping for 200hp or maybe a little more. I will be dynoing it after I do the mods and I will post my findings.
Now no one stay up waiting for this as I have to get all the parts first! LOL! But I'm gonna try it.

 

Another noob takes on the board. It does get tiring after a while.



Come back when you're finished with your 4,000 HP engine and show us pictures, time slips, and dyno sheets. And post a how-to so we can all benefit from the mods. That's what the rest of us do, if you even bothered to click on the links in some of the signatures (including mine).

Until then, this thread is getting very booring.

Whatd'ya think, NJHK, ya' think he'll be back with a documented 4,000 HP car?

 

I thought your "buddy" was making or getting you pistons and other engine internals?

I just signed online and reading all the responses, people are being straight foward with you and the more you talk, the more you sound like you don't know what you're getting yourself into. Does your buddy even know what the Bore is on the 2.4? Does he know the Piston Pin Length or Diameter that you would need?

If you think you're going to push 400 HP and run 34# injectors, you're sadly mistaken...

And you can name all the engine parts in the world, do you even know what you're tuning with? Do you think your fuel system is capable of (reliably) 400 HP? Who is tuning your car?

The more I read your posts, the more you're confussing. First you say you don't need our help, then you want our help. Then you say your buddy will get you all these magical custom parts. Then you say you're not sure what is available. Your quote of "going all custom" makes things even more confussing when you don't even know anything about your engine.

And I'm sorry but when the hell did GM EVER get into Rally Racing or even use a 2.4 VVT (LE5) for racing? Where are you getting this from? GM has (to the publics knowledge) always been into track racing in the 1/4 mile...and they defenitley didn't use a LE5...the LE5 wasn't even developed when they were breaking FWD records.

I see way too much of people throwing the word "potential" around. Any engine or vehicle can have potential with the right people behind them. A LSJ, L61 or LE5 isn't BETTER suited for power over the other. The "potential" is equal and this goes for any engine and build. Also, you're talking about changing the whole characteristics of the engine...so what the engine is "capable" of is now in your hands or the builders hands.

I've been on forums a long time and I see way too many people post how they are going to spend thousands of dollars on engine parts and don't honestly know what they are getting into. There is much more to it than putting the word "forged" in front of a engine internal part.

You keep referring to stages...stages mean NOTHING. The word "stage" when referred to vehicles is a marketing tool by a manufacturer. If you're buying a stage 2 kit, the stage 2 kit is designed to handle x amount of power over the stage 1 or it includes more parts...this is purely example. From the first page, you keep referring to things in "stages" but no mention at all of a company. "I want a stage 3" essentially means squat.

You keep referring to "The engine can handle 16 PSI" means absolutely nothing. You mention no type of forced inducation that this magical 16 PSI is being created by, you mention nothing about CFM airflow, size of the unit or anything. You keep referring to air pressure which is almost laughable that you think that 16 PSI is the magical number to make you run 400 HP in a general aspect.

Overall, you need to stop making claims of what you're going to do and start asking questions because it's evident that you don't know as much as you claim and the more you keep posting, the more it looks like BS. Nothing that you are saying is making sense and reading your posts hurts my head because of the grammer...I have to assume that you are saying something sometimes when reading a sentence and periods seem to be like the Lost Ark (reference Indiana Jones).

 

I just can 't wait until the first 2.4 is turbocharged using just HPTune to try to get the engine to survive under boost...

 

Why should people help someone that is saying that they don't need our help?