o3nisoaso3

Im going to be building an all motor 2.2 in the near future. It will also be a daily driver so nothing too crazy

Plans: (on my 2nd motor)
Wiseco or CP pistons 10.5:1 or 11.0:1 and 20 bore
Eagle connecting rods And crank

Supertech or Ferrea valve kit
Comp stage 2 or 3 cams
GM adjustable cam gears
Port and Polish head (port match intake and exhaust)
3 (maybe 4 or 5) angle valve job
ceramic coating
all arp studs
cometic head gasket

2.4L intake manifold
Bigger throttle body
Injen CAI (maybe custom)
3" catless dp and cat-back (custom)
(undecided on header)
N2O for at track (125??? wet shot)

Fidanza aluminum flywheel
Spec stage 3 clutch
DSS level 2 axles
Slicks

MSD ignition (need something, unsure what to get)
Smt-6 or
AEM FIC or
2.2 beta tune (clear image auto, trifecta)
Maybe all 3! lol jk


Thats all i can think of now cuz im really tired. Most of the stuff in my car now is going to be installed with this build also. If anyone can think of things or suggestions for some of the parts i have listed (as to change or which to go with) go ahead and post them up!

ill update after the weekend (not on much on weekends)

and im going with all motor cuz i have yet to see anyone do it (and i searched a lot) t/c or s/c is what most do so im going n/a lets hope it works out for the best. im just aiming for a 13sec car maybe even low 14s ill be happy

Blown 4-banger

I've read about some 12 second all motor cavys. I totally think you could hit 12s with slicks and a 125 shot!

RebelTX

Sounds like what i am preparing to do... sounds like youve got a good start, thair is however one thing that worries me... will the block be able to handle it, everything that i have read so far is saying that it is only rated to around 400hp. what are your concerns, if you have any and if so what do you plan on doing about them?

o3nisoaso3

yea, i heard that. im not going that high, just going to put more power than stock connecting rods and pistons handle. if it comes to the point in the build im lookin at over that much power ill go get some darton sleeves


yea i talked to one guy who had one about a year ago on ecotecpower and jbody forum, im not really wanting all that. i just want like 250-300whp. well see how it does whem im done, if it does 12s then great but im only settin my hopes for high 13s lol so i guess i wont be let down or somethin like that

BIG-DAVE

2.4 t/b 4 sale

shabodah

If you're going NA, I'd recommend using some LE5/2.4L parts. I really don't see you going past 250 CHP on pump gas, either way, though.

Sw4y1313

The block is good for 1000hp. The sleeves and crank need to be replaced at 600hp. You shouldnt have a problem. Also your max RPM without going with a standalone is 8100rpms. You can get that tuned easily by vince.

Also, for pistons you might wanna go with 11:1 or higher. Run to 8100rpms and you should pull some decent power out of the car. you will most likely will only need 32lb injectors to do it.

TurboTechRacing

iTrader: (24)

Sounds like a very nice build

o3nisoaso3

thanks man. i got the ss/sc injectors and talked to vince about if hed be able to tune. i got the 2nd motor bored, just waiting to hone once i buy the pistons (make up my mind). im gonna run the car to where ever the cams and that makes top power (figured around 7750ish). im not really all that concerned about pulling crazy power but a decent amount of it and just the maybe extra power from a 75-100 wet shot just to get me around 300whp. its just that if im sprayin im makin the motor capable of it...

what is the stock 2.2 and 2.4 intake manifolds capable of of handling hp/tq wise? (roughly)


what parts do u recommend?

how much u lookin for it? it may take a lil while cuz i am gettin ready to get pistons and valve kit

Dustin

Sorry to rain on the Trifecta tuning parade, again, but you need to rethink your tuning solution.

Running a standalone for this type of build would be recommended. The issue with Trifecta is the lack of ability to change your tune at will. Each time you need to change something, I have to wait for them to ship you the tuner, rely on a tune made from someone who's hundreds of miles away and has never seen your car.

With an N/A setup of this nature, flexibility of the tune is key... and with Trifecta, you're not even coming close to getting that.

o3nisoaso3

thats why i have two other options in the tuning area (i have the AEM F/IC installed right now)

RollermanDan

Go full standalone...look into MSD for that (I'm using MSD Digital Programmable 7). You're going to need the ability to tune as stated by others for any and all occasions, not just your drive down Main street.

o3nisoaso3

i got a good bit of the parts in. cams, rods, studs, head gasket, n2o, aem stuff and ss/sc injectors

exhaust, intake, fly and clutch installed already

the second motor's block is still at the shop, head in the garage getting ready to get the valves, springs reatainers and cams (been worked already)

ill get some pics up soon

Maxim_X

I think higher compression would be a bit better. More like 12 or 12.5 to get some power.

o3nisoaso3

how much can i bore over and be safe???

o3nisoaso3

from what i heard 30 but can i go 40? and can i get pistons for that bore???

xx07cobaltss24xx

go 30 over cause if somthing happenes to the motor you wanna still beable to clean up the cylinder walls w/ boring it a lil more. besides you wont notice nore see a difference in power from 30 over to 40 over... but hey thats just what i know an iam sure some one thinks they know better lol but gl with your build man its good to see some one trying somthing new

o3nisoaso3

thanks,

whats the max bore of the motor? i heard after 50 or 60 you need new sleeves. i want 30 but figured 40 would still be safe. ill probably go with 30. where could i get them? custom piston form from wiseco?

shabodah

I don't think GM recommends even a 30 over on most of their aluminum block, iron liner engines. The original LS1's and Northstars were stated to be 10 over max and then as new revisions came along things got better. Regardless, 86mm (L61/LSJ) is 3.3858 inches, and 88mm (LE5/LE8/LE9) is 3.4646 inches, that seems like a lot of room.

o3nisoaso3

wow. well i know they sell .20 over like everywhere and i want to get .30 over

o3nisoaso3

ok, so i talked to some different people and asked jbp and all i heard was not going over .20

so now it looks like i will probably just run a 10.0:1 and maybe later down the road turbo or run a 11-12.0:1 (unsure what i want lol)

Sloco Productions

iTrader: (2)

contact wiseco....they make custom pistons all the time im sure they can set u up with sum 30 over 11:1 pistons

o3nisoaso3

would i be able to run premium (94 is most at pump) on a 12.0:1 with .20 over bore or would i have to run a race gas or higher octane???

o3nisoaso3

anyone know???

o3nisoaso3

info?