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Old 08-04-2010, 04:38 AM
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LIPSTICK's 800hp first LNF compound turbo/engine build!

2008 Saturn SKY Redline

COMPOUND TURBO SET-UP:
Garrett GT4094R (1.0 turbine A/R) and Garrett Gt2871R (.63 Tial turbine housing A/R). Both turbos have v-band – and CRYO-TREATED!!!
BTF tubular manifold (321 stainless steel)
BTF 4” downpipe (321 stainless steel)
BTF recirculating dump tube (321 stainless steel)
BTF charge pipes
Turbosmart Power-Gate60 – controls GT2871R turbo
Turbosmart Comp-Gate40 – controls GT4094R turbo
Turbosmart Race Port BOV
Turbosmart Eboost2 60psi electronic boost controller

321 Stainless Steel tubular manifold, downpipe(Swaintech coated and DEI titanium wrapped)
Werks RACE Intercooler – 15” x 3” x 24”
AEM water-methanol kit
DEI Cry02 intercooler spray kit


BATES ENGINEERING RACE BLOCK:
Bates Sleeved block
Bored ,honed, Aligned hone
Decked
Bates Main Studs
Bates Balance shafts
Bates main bearings
Bates chain tensioner spring
Bates billet oil pump gear
LNF camshaft
K1 rods and Wiseco pistons installed

SMG HAND PORTED RACE HEAD:
Supertech 35.5 mm oversized valves
Supertech 78 lb springs (cryo treated)
Supertech retainers/keepers
Bates Head Studs
Bates Rocker Arms (cryo treated)
Aggressive Headwork
Ported and Polished Throttle body and Manifold



FUEL Set-Up:
WERKS custom race manifold w/ port injection
RMR secondary fuel rail
RC engineering 42lb injectors
Split Sec extra injector controller
Nitrous Express SAFE fuel System (extra fuel cell w/ fuel pump and adjustable fpr)
Deatsch Werks 300lph fuel pump
ZZP stage 1 cams w/ big fuel lobe



LIBERTY GEARS/NITROFREEZE Transmission and Drivetrain:
Spec Stage 3+ clutch w/ 11lb Flywheel (Cryo-Treated)
Polished hub and sliders, gear/synchro set (shot peened and cryo-treated)
Pinion, driveshaft, axles, and rear differential (cryo-treated)
Driveshaft Shop 600hp Axles
18"x10" Forgestar Wheels w/ Nitto NTO5 295/35/18



First, I wanted to thank Dave of WERKS for sponsoring me with the Race Intercooler

I also wanted to give thanks to the following for some feedbacks and insights about the compound turbo set-up planning:
- Dave of DDM
- Shabby
- Marc of Boost logic – you can youtube him (marc compound turbo). He has a very successful compound turbo set-up.
- Kevin Jewer – owner of 1991 Eagle Talon compound turbo set-up (T3 50 trim and T6 s475 w/ 1.06 AR) – 8.97sec @ 156mph Thank you for all the step-by-step answers that you provided me!!! You have been my on-line mentor!!!


Finally, I wanted to give thanks to my my main sponsors/tuner:
Baldturbofreak aka BTF BTF racing will sponsor me for this build. Rick helped me out choose the turbos for my compound turbo set-up, and provided me with the turbos. He will custom fabricate me a tubular manifold and the compound turbo set-up.

Baldturbofreak aka BTF BTF is my main tuner. He will install the compound turbo set-up, and will relocate TONS of stuff to fit this compound turbo set-up.

Ryan of Nitrofreeze for full-sponsorship of the cryogenic treatment of all my parts!!!

Vince of burnsstainless.com for sponsorship of all the stainless steel parts for this build.



Late last year, since SMG had already successfully twincharged the cobalts, by having a rear mount a turbo…………I asked myself, how about adding another turbo on my set-up and mount it at the rear?

So Fred and I started talking about mounting a k04 turbo at the rear, and do a sequential turbo set-up. The k04 turbo will spool fast, and will help have a more responsive car. But after talking to Dave of DDM, Shabby, and Marc, the plan of having a sequential set-up will not work-out as planned and will be very complicated to run smoothly. So I scratched that the plan right away.



So here’s the compound turbo set-up flow:

Exhaust manifold > small turbo (turbine) and powers the engine > excess exhaust gases goes to dp/wastegate > > big turbo (turbine) > big turbo compressor > compressed/cold air goes to small turbo (compressor inlet) > small turbo (compressor outlet) > Intercooler > engine


We are hoping to boost this set-up at around 43-45psi, since the RACE Block can handle it without even sweating. Race block can easily handle 1000 whp. If things go smoothly, the set-up will flow at least 80 lb/min …………and will produce at least 600 whp. It will be an ultimate street machine that will be competitive in auto crossing, drag racing, and road racing.

Will spool from 2800 rpm all the way to 8000 rpm 


GT2871R will be boosting 28psi and GT4094R will be boosting at around 15psi.

Total boost pressure will be 43-45psi or more



BTF will start working on the project mid of November 2011. After he finish the manifold, it wil be sent all the hot sides to SWAINTECH for ceramic coating

SMG will be working on the head, transmission, all necessary relocations, and everything will start mid mid 2011 as well.

BTF and SMG collaboration!

We are hoping to finish the whole project and tune the beast before the end of Summer 2012

There will be lots of trial and error during the build, and same goes to the tuning. But that’s normal to every build, especially on a very crazy build like this. But whatever it takes, we will complete this project!!!

LIPSTICK will strive to be the first LNF engine in the 700hp range that will be a daily driver. FIRST EVER compound turbo LNF set-up!!!!



To learn more about compound turbo, here’s my buddy Marc:

YouTube - Marc's 2JZ Turbo Compound Setup

YouTube - Marc's Track run with Commentary

To follow this compound turbo build, you can go to this link: Antonio Sky | Facebook

Or search “Antonio Sky” on facebook

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Old 08-04-2010, 05:04 AM
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Sound good and look forward to seeing some videos of it on the street
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crazy, I don't know why, but I've never thought of compounding turbos like that. Compressor outlet of big turbo to compressor inlet of smaller turbo, then compressor outlet of small turbo on to the FMIC and then TB. It's genious!
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should be interesting. hope this works out better then jbp's rapeage of rod.
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interesting looking forward to results
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question on this... would the gt40 not be optimal at a higher boost setting and the gt28 at a lower one? seems like only 8psi on the big one would be out of efficiency.

but i'm also not familiar with compound turbo setups, so not sure if the initial pressure from the gt28 would in fact calculate in with the efficiency of the bigger one
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Originally Posted by selfinfliction View Post
question on this... would the gt40 not be optimal at a higher boost setting and the gt28 at a lower one? seems like only 8psi on the big one would be out of efficiency.

but i'm also not familiar with compound turbo setups, so not sure if the initial pressure from the gt28 would in fact calculate in with the efficiency of the bigger one
it is a compound turbo set-up.

So you should look at it out of the box.

my 2 liter engine w/ the small turbo will act like a v6/v8 (4-6 liter) engine as a whole.............and the gt40 will not see it as a 2 liter but as a bigger engine.

just imagine an LS6 with all the volume of air it pushes...............to a gt40. And you will get some power
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ah ok so the volume of the air from the smaller turbo does play a role on the big one...

makes sense, i just never actually thought about how those systems work
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good info.... i dont see much room under the hood for 2 turbo's and all that pipping in my engine compartment.... but i do have a T60-1 hybrid turbo rear mounted on my car. hmmmm the gears in my head are turning.
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good info.... i dont see much room under the hood for 2 turbo's and all that pipping in my engine compartment.... but i do have a T60-1 hybrid turbo rear mounted on my car. hmmmm the gears in my head are turning.
yeah, there's no much room on my Saturn SKY redline as well.

I was actually planning to rear mount the big turbo......but I drive my car even during winter.......so I don't want to risk water/snow getting into the air filter into the turbo...and ruining it. Plus the risk of oil lines failing towards the rear turbo....might be an issue later on. Might as well cramp everything inside the engine bay

We will definitely be moving the batter, fuse box, and power steering reservoir. And probably get a smaller radiator.......

I'll update you guys on the progress ....


or you guys can join my face book account to get updates and see photos

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Well... if it helps, I've had my big rear mounted turbo back there for 60,000 miles now. The only issue i had was my waste gate got stuck open and all i did was pull it off and manually actuate it a few times and have had no problems since. I drive it in rain/sleet/snow. I have a stock motor 2.2 running 10psi and dyno'd at 258.94whp. The lag blows big time in 1st just because of how big the turbo is, now that ive seen this small turbo w/ big turbo compound thing... i may end up getting a small turbo now just so i can have power in the low end.
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Looks like a badass setup your going to have

I wish i could do that...dammit

Good luck with your build man
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what are you going to do for the injector window issue? gonna run it like the drift solstice or ??
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what are you going to do for the injector window issue? gonna run it like the drift solstice or ??
we will see how the AFR reacts on the new set-up.

I currently have 255 lph fuel pump and water/meth spray


options:

get HPT-trifecta tune
BTF secondary fuel rail
microsquirt system
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Have you guys ever seen a pic of tuercks drift solstice intake manifold setup. It dosent seem to be direct injection as the injectors and rail are on top of the manifold like an LSJ/LE5. So I'm not so sure it's an LNF.
Though I could be wrong.
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Have you guys ever seen a pic of tuercks drift solstice intake manifold setup. It dosent seem to be direct injection as the injectors and rail are on top of the manifold like an LSJ/LE5. So I'm not so sure it's an LNF.
Though I could be wrong.
yes the drift solstice has new injectors added.

well with trifecta and zzp did something to get some more power, but you should talk to CP-E (custom performance engineering). We had the same issue with the mazda 2.3disi, they did something and broke through the "400whp glass ceiling". It would be worth discussing with them what/how they did so you could make your life easier.
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I'm mostly sponsored.

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