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Old 05-27-2012, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Joemaster70
question did u ever fix the cam position sensor problem?

will car pass emissions with no problems?
Naw he hasnt yet. doesnt really create any issues besides CEL.

I cant see why the car couldnt pass emissions as long as your cat converter is good and the CEL is taken care of.
Old 05-28-2012, 12:21 AM
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how would u take car of the CEL just use hptuners to turn w.e is messing with the code?
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We still haven't fixed the sensor issue. I'm sure once we do that and the sensor sees correct position then it will go away.

You can turn off codes in HPT.
Old 05-28-2012, 01:09 PM
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what does that sensor do though? Wouldn't it make the car run messed up?
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Originally Posted by Joemaster70
what does that sensor do though? Wouldn't it make the car run messed up?
I believe it just remembers where cam position is. Our tuner said it would just be easier starting i guess. Car runs great.
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Joemaster, if you get closer in the build i might be able to help you out over some weekends. im not too familiar with motor swaps but im sure you could use an extra hand from time to time
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Originally Posted by rcarr0327
Joemaster, if you get closer in the build i might be able to+ help you out over some weekends. im not too familiar with motor swaps but im sure you could use an extra hand from time to time
thanks man ill defiantly keep u in mind when that time comes. Just had results of my Motor i was going to have rebuilt. 2600 for it to be built back to OEM. I F'd up my Crankshaft, 1 Connecing rod. was told the head was fine and the block and sleeves but alot needed to be replaced so im defiantly doing the swap once i get enough money to get it.
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*Update*
Car has been running great. No issues at all really. I still have yet to correctly time the camshaft position sensor, so sometimes it takes a little to start, but nothing crazy.
Getting 18-20mpg on E85 tuned at 25* and I'm always on it.
Plugs are gaped at .37-.38 and it runs SMOOTH.

Going to go to a 2.7 pulley, Phenolic Spacer, and Dual Pass all at once.
Hoping to get numbers into 300whp. But we shall see. Dyno sometime this summer, unsure of when my group dyno is.

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Old 06-12-2012, 08:51 PM
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Oh and like this page for me:

https://www.facebook.com/SSCobalt

Thanks!!!
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Originally Posted by bratboy90
*Update*
Car has been running great. No issues at all really. I still have yet to correctly time the camshaft position sensor, so sometimes it takes a little to start, but nothing crazy.
Getting 18-20mpg on E85 tuned at 25* and I'm always on it.
Plugs are gaped at .37-.38 and it runs SMOOTH.

Going to go to a 2.7 pulley, Phenolic Spacer, and Dual Pass all at once.
Hoping to get numbers into 300whp. But we shall see. Dyno sometime this summer, unsure of when my group dyno is.

Thanks,
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Do you know if the Saab ex cam hex timing is correct for the LSJ's cam sensor? Saab's don't need a timed hex insert, so maybe that's why your cam sensor is off. Not sure...

Ow, and read some specs of the B207 cams and your 207-R cams are pretty close to the LSJ spec so not much HP loss there. (a bit less lift than the LSJ's and slightly different timing.)

The cams of a B207-L engine however is much softer than the R and will probably make (a lot) less HP when supercharged...
Old 06-15-2012, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedytec
Do you know if the Saab ex cam hex timing is correct for the LSJ's cam sensor? Saab's don't need a timed hex insert, so maybe that's why your cam sensor is off. Not sure...

Ow, and read some specs of the B207 cams and your 207-R cams are pretty close to the LSJ spec so not much HP loss there. (a bit less lift than the LSJ's and slightly different timing.)

The cams of a B207-L engine however is much softer than the R and will probably make (a lot) less HP when supercharged...
I still have yet to time the cams position sensor. You could be right. The sensor fits right is the exact same as the LSJ had. I guess I'll find out when I actually do some work. It's one of those things that isn't bothering me at all, so why even bother. LOLZ
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New video. Thursday is 2.7, Phenolic Spacer, and Dual Pass.

Cobalt SS/SC 3.0 E85 2nd Gear 40-70mph - YouTube
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Looks slow
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So, 2.7 is on with E85. Pulls great. 3rd feels like a damn rocket, no more faceplant feel.

Virtual Dyno is claiming 297whp and 260wtq. Hoping to get on a dyno this saturday(maybe).

NEW VIDEO's:

Before 40-70mph:
Takes about 4 seconds
Cobalt SS/SC 3.0 E85 2nd Gear 40-70mph - YouTube


After40-70mph:
Takes about 3.4 seconds
Cobalt SS 40-70 E85 2.7 Pulley - YouTube

After 40-105mph:
Takes about 10 seconds
Random misfire around 5k in 3rd gear. Can't figure out why. No KR, no timing change, nothing weird. Fuel pressure remains. Meh, new plugs might fix er sometime.
Cobalt SS 40-105mph E85 2.7 Pulley - YouTube

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So, 2.7 is on with E85. Pulls great. 3rd feels like a damn rocket, no more faceplant feel.

Virtual Dyno is claiming 297whp and 260wtq. Hoping to get on a dyno this saturday(maybe).

NEW VIDEO's:

Before 40-70mph:
Cobalt SS/SC 3.0 E85 2nd Gear 40-70mph - YouTube

After40-70mph:
Cobalt SS 40-70 E85 2.7 Pulley - YouTube

After 40-105mph:
Cobalt SS 40-105mph E85 2.7 Pulley - YouTube

Thanks,
Bratboy90
Old 07-10-2012, 10:48 PM
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i c that check engine light. Wat you gonna do for emissions?
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Originally Posted by Joemaster70
i c that check engine light. Wat you gonna do for emissions?
0 inspections in MN hes catless now and the E smells damn good
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lucky.. im in illinois we got so many regulations it's gay
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Originally Posted by Joemaster70
lucky.. im in illinois we got so many regulations it's gay
im in illinois also. and yea it sucks that we cant run catless but **** it im doing it anyways lol. we dont have visual inspections tho. as long as no cel comes up we are good
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Here's some video's of the car out on the racetrack. No drag racing yet sorry, but good video of me tearing it up on some nice cars out on a real track.

Oh, Dual Pass, Phenolic Spacer, and 2.7 Pulley are now on!! WOOT!!!

CLICK-VVVVVVVVVV-CLICK
Super Saab Cobalt SS B.I.R. - YouTube
CLICK-^^^^^^^^^-CLICK
Old 08-31-2012, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bratboy90
Thanks!!!!

I was making about 250whp, but a combo of me being an idiot and a bad tune lead to a blown cyl. Not the cars fault at all, my mind making assumptions lead to its death.

I'm looking to be at AT LEAST 280whp on E85, hoping to reach 300whp and I'll do what I need to get there, but I won't go past that without selling the car and buying a rwd/awd car.

I agree, Supercharged show a linear graph with steady hp/tq levels. Turbo's tend to have a big difference in power between the rpms which the supercharger is solid almost a straight line of power to peak rpms.
Could not have said it better myself. This is me 2 days ago. Looking to do this or build if my sleeves are not damaged.
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welp for the sake of time (moving in a month) and price. I just bought myself an 80K mile saab high pressure motor for 600 bucks...
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welp for the sake of time (moving in a month) and price. I just bought myself an 80K mile motor for 600 bucks...
LSJ or B207R??? If it's the B207R, you could swap to the LSJ head if you need. I'll be finding out about fixing this CEL next week we're doing a crank re-learn.
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Originally Posted by bratboy90
LSJ or B207R??? If it's the B207R, you could swap to the LSJ head if you need. I'll be finding out about fixing this CEL next week we're doing a crank re-learn.
High Pressure B207R, my current motor is 77K miles, this is not that big a jump in mileage and I will probably just use the B207R head for now and build my LSJ head for later
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Originally Posted by c130aviator
High Pressure B207R, my current motor is 77K miles, this is not that big a jump in mileage and I will probably just use the B207R head for now and build my LSJ head for later
I might be doing a ported, cam'd, and valvespring head sometime. I'll update this thread if/when it happens. I'm also checking with a fellow member on here about the tone ring on the B207R crank vs the LSJ crank to see if that's why the CEL is being throw. Still, it's a great running motor.


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