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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 03:44 PM
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Pulley drop = how much flow % gain?

About how much percentage airflow do you gain with each drop in pulley size? 10% 15%, anyone know? I need to know for fuel reasons. Need to make sure I'm going to have enough fuel flow.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 01:28 PM
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14.90% of air "compressed" in to the blower. CFM will drop with higher pressure btw.

however i used a 33.333% reduction per psi due to heat of compression.

Keep in mind that there will also be a bellcurve of loss due to the eaton adding to that heat.

My baseline for the oxygen/air was under standard temp and barometric pressure. It will change greatly because you add alot more dynamics.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 03:30 PM
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thanks, been waiting on an answer for a few days now.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
thanks, been waiting on an answer for a few days now.
Well my calc will be off up to ~7% because of extreme heat/pressure but its a good baseline.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 04:15 PM
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Ideally;
Flow (L/min) = RPM*(6.25"/pulley diameter)*1L/rev

BTW, ralliartist, I went though my PM's again... I think i told you the wrong number for the stocker... it should be about 470cfm.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega_5
Ideally;
Flow (L/min) = RPM*(6.25"/pulley diameter)*1L/rev

BTW, ralliartist, I went though my PM's again... I think i told you the wrong number for the stocker... it should be about 470cfm.
yea there is a whole thing on the whole CFM calculation in the Rebel Engineering's New Intake Manifold about 4-6 pages in.

Problem though here is...

When you increase pressure you lose cfm. eg: if i inflated a tank to 100 psi i will only get about 5-6 cfm out of a standard work hose that you use for power tools.

If I inflate it to 60 psi, i get about 7-8 cfm.

Problems occur when temperature and psi are added in the mix. Gets bogglesome.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 05:00 PM
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Yeah, the blower does work harder, in turn moving less air. Hence why I put 'ideally' before the equation.
It's not a bad equation for first step estimations though.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega_5
Ideally;
Flow (L/min) = RPM*(6.25"/pulley diameter)*1L/rev

BTW, ralliartist, I went though my PM's again... I think i told you the wrong number for the stocker... it should be about 470cfm.
you two have been a big help. Thanks a lot. I got a good "estimate" of what to expect now.

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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
you two have been a big help. Thanks a lot. I got a good "estimate" of what to expect now.
yea as much as i dont say anything, omega adds alot to convos when i pissed him off earlier and had him cough up some info....

Gonna have to work on area47 a little harder though, he doesnt put his ego on the line

Still good group of folks.
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 04:53 AM
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just for reference, I should be almost doubling cfm's with the port work and 2.9 pulley. I even took into account heat and used lower numbers than the 14.9%. It's just an estimate, but I think it should be pretty close. Probably be over 800cfm's.
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 08:34 AM
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could use this to help aid your "heat/inefficiency bell curve"
Basically took the engine rpm with the chart omega gave me for the eaton, and then plotted it with the map from eaton's efficiency graph
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 09:26 AM
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eww, NICE! Thanks man, that's a awesome graph. Wouldn't be hard at all to plot what I want to know!
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rrutter81
could use this to help aid your "heat/inefficiency bell curve"
Basically took the engine rpm with the chart omega gave me for the eaton, and then plotted it with the map from eaton's efficiency graph
Nice chart!
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 07:10 PM
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yes, very nice graph! What program did you use to creat that?
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Old Sep 2, 2008 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by burntorange
yes, very nice graph! What program did you use to creat that?
I did it manually....hence why only 2 were plotted since it took a couple hours.
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