Axelthered05

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ok so I started my thread over at gm elite and figured I would share the process and my info over here aswell
goal is 300HP DD Im building a completly new engine to put in the car looking to install it mid summer

2.0 LSJ block
2.2 Crank
Saab 9-3 cylinder Head
Saab 9-3 Intake manifold
10:1 forged wiseco pistons
Eagle Rods
2.2 cams
Front Mount Oil Cooler
cometic multi layer head gasket
ARP head studs
Custom fuel line setup
LSJ valve cover
Custom PCV system
and of course all the custom AN line I can fit under the hood lol
and i will be reusing my curent turbo setup and making some changes to the intercooler and piping
some things may or may not change depending on what kind of deals I can get here and there
and once I get the engine working the way I want mechanicly I will add
FIC6 Piggyback ecu (HPT does not support my ECU and I want more control than trifecta can give me alone )
AEM 3.5 bar MAP sensor
60lb injectors

now time for some pics
saab 9-3 head and intake

more pics of the head




cams and balance shafts

the block and some parts that I got from blkwdoss


picture of the oil return and that package on the ground is the crank

LSJ oil cooler bracket being taped for 10AN front mount oil cooler


more to come in time

Axelthered05

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got my valve spring compressor great $12.97 ebay find

Axelthered05

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striped the valves, springs, lifters, rollers, and cams from the head

oh and can anyone tell me if that little plug is saposed to be there or not

noorj

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awesome build man! will this be with a turbo or sc? love the idea of a piggyback too, just make sure to do it right

Axelthered05

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im turbo with a k04 now which will be transfered to this engine but im not guna run a k04 on it for long just long enough to save up for a beter turbo, a K04 does not deserve this engine

Axelthered05

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yeah I have had a piggyback on the car before, infact if you search for it I wrote a how to for installing the AEM fic6 2-3 years ago that nobody seamed to notice :P anyway the pigyback is just to have a little extra control, because I really dont trust trifecta with a high compression high boost build, they will do the base tuning and after thatI will dial it in perfictly, plus the AEM FIC allows me to data log the car without an aditional computer and it allows me to log the wideband also

Slowbalt2000

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why an lsj block? Its pretty much the same as the l61, right?

Axelthered05

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the l61 block does not have oil piston squirters or oil cooler

Slowbalt2000

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oh i guess your car was gen1. looks like a good build though, ill be watching

574

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Awesome, one HELL OF A DEAL on that valve spring compressor, holy ****. And why a saab head? the ports are smaller

Axelthered05

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1) the ports are not smaller or perhaps I should say the diferance is so minuscule than the LSJ that eather way its an improvement over the l61 head
2) the LSJ and 9-3 heads look SOOOOOOO much beter than the L61 heads
3) I can use the valve cover from the LSJ which also looks nicer than the crap on the L61
4) I got a complete 9-3 head for $50
5) manifold bolt holes are the right size so I dont have to mill out the bolt holes on the manifold to 8mm
6) I wanted to be able to say I used parts from a bunch of dif engines

IonNinja

curious to see how the Saab head turns out

it never occurred to me to try and run one...$50 is a sweet deal for one too

574

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I kinda forgot you were putting it on a 2.2, a LSJ head is the right decision there. I just thought there was more differences in the saab lsj vs chevy lsj. I thought the headstud holes were smaller or something. Whatever the differences, if you have it figured out then good! You should message lsjion for a nice port job

Staged07SS

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The saab head has smaller exhaust ports than the LSJ.

While it's an improvement over a 2.2 head due to better casting and such, I would have still tried to sorce an actual LSJ head. Meh, should still be good enough.

Cool build.

Axelthered05

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the point is I can always have it ported while the L61 head has huge holes under cylinder 2 and 3 which make porting a bit more dificult

Axelthered05

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im guna get together with blkwdoss and were guna measure the ports with a caliper in the mean time here are pics of the diferances between the LSJ and Saab heads, sorry for the dirty pics The head has not been to the machine shop to be cleaned yet
lsj head exhaust ports

saab exhaust ports

JapEatr

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another DFWGMElite memeber build

hey brother, why not delete the balance shafts?

Hockeyman

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sub'd!

Axelthered05

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I dont really want the extra vibrations remember this is my DD and also my date car

bmxracerchamp12

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sub'd

JapEatr

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ladies love vibration

Slowbalt2000

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Quoted for truth.

bmxracerchamp12

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why they love the bike lol

Axelthered05

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ok got together with PD (blkwdoss) today to take measurements to compare the LSJ and B207R heads keep in mind that there is a little user error in measurements as we were holding the Saab head as we were taking the measurements
The B207R head ports are
Intake port
1.848" wide
1.199" tall
Exhaust Port
1.5" wide
.895" tall

The LSJ head ports are:
Intake port
1.861" wide
1.20" tall
Exhaust Port
1.5" wide
.897" tall

So it is proven that the B207R cylinder head is the same as the LSJ.
HOWEVER THERE ARE 3 VERSIONS OF THIS ENGINE, PD and I think the heads for the B207E/L are diferant than the LSJ
1.8t 2002–present 110 kW (150 PS; 148 hp) @ 5500 rpm 240 N·m (180 lb·ft) @ 2000–3500 rpm Low-pressure (B207E)
2.0t 2002–present 129 kW (175 PS; 173 hp) @ 5500 rpm 265 N·m (195 lb·ft) @ 2500–4000 rpm Mid-pressure (B207L)
2.0T 2002–present 154 kW (209 PS; 207 hp) @ 5300 rpm 300 N·m (220 lb·ft) @ 2500–4000 rpm High-pressure(B207R)

Axelthered05

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Just ordered Wiseco Pistons and Eagle Rods
for the pistons I went with the 10 compression ratio, crazy I know but I want the extra POWER im going to have to run 2 stage colder plugs and maybe some sort of spray at high boost but we will see what happens