shiftingloco310

ok say i found a 2003+ saab 93 2.0t in a junkyard....if i took the intake manifold and turbo manifold what else would i need to make the turbo work in the ss/sc?( besides dp, tuning, and turbo,fmic) and im not talking bout twin charging just going all turbo.

Rage915

ive been wondering the same thing

rally

you'd need a turbo

TurboBlackBalt

Depending on turbo, oil and water lines, external wastegate, intercooler plumbing, intercooler, full exhaust, and eventually, lower compression pistons (8.5 mayb 9:1).

The saab intake and exhaust manifolds bolt right up.

Cobalt_Supercharged

A recirc/BOV, tuning, oil lines, piping, and waste gate (if not built into the turbo). Not really sure what else. You could always wait and see what Tag includes in their turbo swap. You gotta make sure that the Saab manifold has a spot for all the sensors that go on the stock manifold and S/C.

shiftingloco310

the intake manifold thing is true...as for turbo you can use one off an evo...td04..they use the same flange...idk im just trying to get input and ideas for the future...i mean once you get all the stuff say from a junkyard it prolly wont be too expensive...it'll be one of those budget turbo kits

pjk91

and the 2.4? it would work with that too i'm assuming?

bdwarr6

the saab motor is the exact same, it will bolt right up. Dunno if they put an odd ball engine in my car or does everyones say saab on the coolant bar across the back of it?

I looked into this and found it to be to small for my use, ive got a custom header being made should be done this spring/summer its free so me not bitching

NJHK

Wow, I can't believe I missed this thread...

Ok, here is the facts...

Fact # 1: The saab 9-3 uses a Mitsubishi TD04 Turbocharger
Fact # 2: The saab 9-3 uses a triangular style flange
Fact # 3: The saab 9-3 TD04 Turbocharger is internally wastegated

With this said, if you're thinking of using that manifold the way it comes and putting a typically T3 style turbocharger on it, you'll be sadly mistaken when you see that they are totally different and won't work at all.

Now, you COULD have the manifold modified and made a T3 flange but if you don't have connections like that, you might as well buy a new one (atleast in my opinion). Think about it, would you like a fresh manifold or hacked up one?

As far as keeping that TD04 turbocharger, understand that it is a smaller turbocharger and probably isn't going to push the amount of power you're planning for in mind EFFICIENTLY. Also, the internal wastegate is designed to open for a maximum maintained pressure of 10 PSi of boost pressure. Increasing the delay of wastegate actuator signal (hence what they do with boost controllers) on this type of setup could result in efficiencies if you're aiming for too high of boost pressure and also boost creeping.

About the intake manifold, I don't know too much about your stock throttle body but you would need a manifold that your throttle body can fit onto properly. Whether that one will do it, I don't know for sure.

Now, to be completely honest, I at one point was thinking of doing this swap on my sunfire. Why? Cheaper. Did I do it? No. Why? Because I realized I am using stock parts...which people are trying to get away from, stock, and I am going to it? lol

I also realized that ultimately, these parts wouldn't be as reliable or as efficient as I was looking for.

This is my take on it atleast...take it for what it's worth.

pjk91

cool. thanksman.

Doc

The 1st Gen Mitsubishi's used them right?
I know the Subaru's use this turbo also (TD04). They have options to upgrade to. Could we them as well..?
These are the ones my buddy told me about a long time ago.
TDO4-9B-6CM2 265 CFM
TDO4-13G-5CM2 360 CFM
TEO4-13C-6CM2 360 CFM
TDO4L-13G-6CM2 360 CFM
TDO4L-15C-8.5CM2 390 CFM


would this one work..GT3076R..?

NJHK

I honestly can't remember which version it is.

I'm sure there are upgrades but not as many as the oh so popular T3 style flanged turbochargers.

But the whole point is, why use a stock manifold? Know what I mean? If you're going all out and you're going for a quality setup, why retrospect your setup? I say spend the quality money for a quality manifold...and also you a manifold that you'd more than likely want externally wastegated (which you would have to end up having an extension made on the manifold...meaning more hacking).

zinner

What about the 2.3 Saab turbo, thats runs more boost and HP, correct?

Boosted_SS

sorry to get off topic but i thought you were selling your buggy? how's it running? when are we gonna see videos/sound clips of the bad as new motor?

NJHK

Ok...you're now barking up the wrong tree lol

I don't know TOO much about Saabs...my Saab research basically was exclusive the ECOTEC 2.0 Turbo (2003+) models. Sorry.

zinner

I looked a bit more and the 2.3 is an saab exclusive engine and doesn't share anything with the 2.0 ecotec in the 9-3s. At least doesn't share anything I can find, so chances are a 2.3 turbo setup won't come close to working as a swap.

NJHK

I figured that...

Freakin ******.

Doc

It makes sense to use a custom built turbo manifold. Although, having a piece that bolts in place can be advantageous for those without access to someone who will build a turbo manifold for them.

NJHK

you mean to convert it from triangular to the rectangular style?

Doc

any of the above
yes

NJHK

I've never heard of such thing but I guess it wouldn't be impossible to make...

but, I would also think about how much space it's taking away behind the engine (on top of having the turbocharger there).