To the guys who are saying were taking this to far… This is the point I’m trying to make here that how often is it that those of us who are simply car enthusiasts and have nice cars which we’ve put work into for our various reasons – how often are we harassed of profiled for this? It happens to often for my tastes, especially when you will see some 70 yr old man with his 50’s classic with similar mods or w/e and he’s let go… new cars with mods get tagg’d a lot more and that’s my issue here this isn’t about the cop.

I understand we were in the wrong and hell I was the first to walk up to the nice cop and shake his hand and thank him for his assistance in this matter and his explanation of what happened. So its not at all about the incident it’s the fact that he had a supposed report that there were 2 cobalts speeding around town and stunting and then proceeded to see our cars parked there and assume we were the culprits and be bligerent to us when we were respectful to him.

Anyway you may not agree with it, that’s fine but issues like this will continue to go on until someone makes some noise, I’m sure if you posted this type of complaint on other enthusiast sites you’d get a similar response without it being brought into the public eye it wont stop plain and simple.


IMPORTANT POINT OF INTEREST:

The Herald just called me back and want to run the story tomorrow so I have a dead line of 5pm (Calgary Time MST) today SO PLEASE get your comments / letters posted here ASAP!

 

rent a cops cant really do **** those tickets might as well be toilet paper so u can wipe ur ass with them. only a real cops tickets can make it in front of a judge, down here only real cops can give u tickets, rent a cops or security guards can hold you there till a real cop gets there, as far as window tint goes i have mine tinted 20% all around and legal here is 42% I drive right beside cops all the time and noone ever flashes lights or pulls me over or anything. Hell if you guys who got tickets have a cool eye doctor you can get him to write a letter stating that ur eyes are sensitive to light and you have to have window tint

 

congrats on the feedback from the herald.
be sure and get copies of the article up for everyone to read!

any news from global yet?

 

Hey Codyak

This town is a resort town. In the winter it is a ghost town. The make there yearly profit in the summer months from the tourists.

 

I should get rep for telling you to do this great job guys have that man's job that... well I was told to keep if formal.
Jason

 

i wasn't driving, i was in the back seat of a friend's car who got pulled over for doing 5 over and since he was out passed his curfue (because of probation) we had to get out of the car and the cop said he smelled liquour on me...well i had about 3/4 of a beer earlier and i had gum in my mouth. complete bull ****, but i broke the law so i have to deal with it. Again, what are you trying to achieve? I can't see what you are going to get by writing these letters saying, "yes we broke the law, but the cop was an ass to us." I really don't understand it, cops are usually ********, at least to teenagers.

 

Repped...

Canadian Automotive Tint Laws

The laws regarding window film vary from province to province. The following are a summation of the laws in each province:

British Columbia - No film is permitted on the driver’s compartment, right and left. Any film may be installed on the side windows behind the driver. Any film may be applied to the rear window, provided the vehicle has 2 exterior rear view mirrors.

Alberta - Same as British Columbia.

Saskatchewan - Same as British Columbia.

Manitoba - For driver’s compartment, right and left, the minimum visible light transmittance, net, is 50%. The maximum visible light transmittance, net, is 35%. For windows behind the driver’s compartment, the minimum Visible Light Transmittance, net, is 35%. Where film is installed behind the driver’s compartment, 2 external rear view mirrors are required. The net figures that are allowed are enforced at plus or minus 5%.

Ontario - For the driver’s compartment, right and left, no film can be installed that would substantially obscure visibility from the exterior. Behind the driver’s compartment, any film can be installed.

Quebec - For the driver’s compartment, right and left, the minimum Visible Light Transmittance is 70% on automotive net basis. Any film may be installed behind the driver’s compartment, provided the vehicle is outfitted with 2 exterior rear view mirrors.

New Brunswick - Same as Ontario.

Prince Edward Island - Same as British Columbia.

Nova Scotia - No film is permitted on any glazing surface.

Newfoundland - Same as Ontario.

NOTE: Laws vary from province to province and may change at any time. Courage Distributing recommends you call your local police for the most current regulations in your province. Best efforts are made to ensure the accuracy of this website and the information contained within it. However, Courage Distributing Inc. and Courage Distributing West Inc. and/or its agents does not warranty (implied or expressed) that any of the material, content, information or data contained in this website is complete, accurate or current.


Please Tint Legally!!

yeh Right Rebel without a cause!

 

AGAIN please refer to my reply 2 - 4 post above your above post.

 

depending on area laws

at least hear that would be seen as "displaying" our cars... as we came across in one of our Nor Cal meets, when in fact.. we just backed into the parking stalls...

Im not sure where the negative attention comes from the police, but I agree someone should speak up.

 

awesome! im gonna write my letter when i get home!

 

**Cross Posted to the Cops Kybosh Cobalt Thread**

Here's my letter

To Whom It May Concern:

Subject: Sylvan Car meet ruined and drivers harassed / profiled by local officials.

Please find this letter in regards to the recent actions of one Cst. Dave Kyllio of the Municipal Enforcement department of Sylvan Lake - Badge number 11671.

On Sunday August 12, 2007, several fellow members of the North American forum Cobaltss.net arrived in Sylvan Lake for a morning meet; the purposes of this meet was to show off our cars as well as take several pictures in effort to organize a future meet in spring of 2008 consisting of Western Canadian and potentially some US members. Upon arriving to the township we quickly washed our cars and proceeded to the main drag where we parked the cars facing Sylvan lake and the main street. We proceeded to visit the local businesses and an hour later returned to the cars to find Cst. Kyllio writing tickets.

As I was ahead of the others I ran ahead to inquire what the citation was for. Upon approaching the officer I was instantly told “Don’t even think about moving your cars, they’re all getting tickets and will be towed” I attempted to ask the officer why we were receiving the citations and was told greeted with another off hand flippant comment. At this point the officer observed the group of owners approaching from behind me and immediately radioed for backup and the RCMP support.

Both in my own and fellow members opinions this was completely unwarranted and an uncalled for action since none of us approached the officer in any manner that could have been misconstrued as offensive or threatening. We remained at a safe distance and continued to try to approach him in a civil and open manner, we can understand if in fact Cst. Kyllio felt threatened by 6 males and 2 females however again I stress that we maintained a safe distance, made no threatening actions and maintained a civil tone during the confrontation.

After calling for his backup several other members asked the officer what the infractions were for and again received similar treatment and uncalled for rudeness. It was at this time that the constable informed us the tint on the cars were also illegal and that we either had to immediately peel the tint off or have the cars impounded and towed back to our respective cities and held in the impound lots, in addition to receiving a 150 dollar fine for the tint. Again the officer would not clarify why this was taking place nor answer our questions regarding the group understanding that we were not required to peel the tint off on site as the result would likely damage to the window’s internal mechanism and could have the potential to further impair visibility by the remaining glue. We were under the impression based on previous information gained by other members through conversations with local authorities that we were able to take a fine/ticket and then arrive and prove at a later date that the tint had been removed.

Finally once 2 other officers arrived on site, Cst. Kyllio instructed us to talk to the other officer stating “I don’t have time to deal with this” It was at this time that I would like to thank the other peace officer for taking the time to actually explain why we were receiving the tickets and clarify what our options were and what was taking place.

Again during this time frame both the second officer as well as the RCMP officer who had arrived (and parked in the exact same position as we were parked – thus also being illegally parked as well) commented that Cst. Kyllio’s actions were excessive and he was being unfair but as he was the officer on scene first they were unable to over ride his actions and if it had been up to them they would have issued the parking ticket and asked us to leave, which we were very willing to do – however again we were not given that opportunity / chance.

The entire time that this fiasco was taking place several other vehicles all with illegal tint parked around us, or were there prior to our arrival, in addition to 2 other trucks who had parked illegally across several stalls and again I stress no tickets were issued to these other vehicles neither prior no after our incident with the constable. Several of the other cars that were guilty of similar infractions were of higher “quality” cars (IE a lexus, corvette and 2 mustangs) and none of these were ticketed nor the owners confronted when the stood by watching as Cst. Kyllio humiliated our members.

The officer mentioned during his curtness that they had also received a report that 2 black “sporty” cars had been “stunting” on 50th Ave. When I inquired where this avenue is I was told it was several blocks from where we were, this was an impossibility as when we arrived in town we proceeded to the carwash off the main street then proceed down the main street and parked. When we were confronted with this information we felt profiled and targeted simply because of the number of cars and fact that all our cars were “sporty” in nature.

This is the ultimate underlying concern of my letter today – the fact that the responding officer received a complaint of 2 black sports cars “stunting” – no license plates nor further descriptions were given and upon his own investigation Cst. Kyllio noted our cars parked in a row arrived at the assumption that we must have been those culprits and subsequently treated us in a manner that I would not even expect from a parent disciplining their child.

An hour and half after I first confronted the constable we were finally allowed to move our vehicles once the tint was manually removed and he had completed thoroughly humiliated all of our members. We subsequently left the township and proceeded to Red Deer to salvage what was left of our day trip.

This type of action is of grave concern to our members and myself as we feel we were singled out, targeted and subsequently humiliated by Cst. Kyllio in a manner that was uncalled for and very unbecoming of any officer whom is supposed to represent the provincial authority and uphold the law.

We fully understand the need for today’s police to be skeptical of modified cars however at what point does this type of action cross the line and become profiling in nature. We maintain that we are simple car enthusiasts out for a day trip, scoping a very attractive location for a future car enthusiast meet and with the intention of bringing further tourism dollars to a provincial hot spot that ultimately thrives on the spring and summer traffic for a large amount of its annual income.

Other members since have since consulted with various other car enthusiast clubs and are of the same opinion that this type of actions by authorities must be quelled; several other enthusiasts have had similar situations arise from simply being a fan of their cars and wanting to take pride in their possessions. This type of stereotyping is uncalled for as it’s unfair and ultimately against the rights and freedoms that these law enforcement officers have sworn to uphold.

In closing I would like to stress that Cst. Kyllio’s actions while warranted with respect to the infractions were uncalled for in his harassing, humiliating and ultimately tactless approach of how he handled the situation and as a result both myself and fellow members have and are continuing to make every effort to bring awareness to this treatment. We have been in contact with several local news authorities and have been asked to provide statements and photographs of the incident and it is my hope that this information will have a negative impact on the future tourism of this municipality as many other enthusiasts regularly visit this “Albertan Hotspot” and if they are aware of the type of treatment they can expect from the local authorities it is my hope it curbs their enthusiasm to visit.

Thank you for your time and I hope there will be sufficient actions taken as a result of this unfortunate situation.

Sincerely,

James J. Purvis

 

Damn dude, Nice letter!

Bring down da house!

 

Well said James. You just put my letter to shame...haha

 

Yeah, you made everyone else look like a bunch of dumbasses

 

hahahaha...F**ker. Just jokes.

 

lol ^_^ not the intention but yeah I used to have to prepare police statements in detail when I used to work security so I felt that the level of detail would be important.

Thanks for the comments though ^_^

 

Should get our support. For instance, now I won't go to that town myself. Maybe show them that x thousand people now refuse to come to thier town. Pick up a few more car forums for petitions. Would be nice to even have some car groups together to support each other in harassment cases and petition with a few hundred thousand strong when it happens. If you care to put in that effort.

 

The letter sounsd great james! to bad im past the 5pm deadline or i would have written up a letter. i have already emailed the town and let them know how i feel. but great letter, im glad to see so many members are behind us, to those that are just beaking us saying were idiots for trying to fight this, F*** off.

anybody else get this email?



Gentlemen I am responding to your emails of Monday August 13th, 2007 relative to the actions of one of my personnel .Community Peace Officer Kyllo. While the allegations concern me I feel it only fair to be able to totally asses the situation by also talking with him about the occurrence. Unfortunately he is on holidays and not back until Monday August 20th. At that time I will discuss this with him and get his side of the story.



I appreciate the comments pertaining to the incident and will be in touch with each of you to discuss this situation and what the final outcome will be.



For your information I have also been in touch with Bill Clark who had been in contact with Jody Hawkins on the Sunday of the occurrence.



Thank you for your patience and if there are any other questions, please email me and I will attempt to answer them as best I can.



Dennis Krill

Director of Protective Services

Town of Sylvan Lake

dkrill@sylvanlake.ca

2007-08-14

 

COBALTS UNITE.....!!!!


(Insert 80's cartoon pic here......)


Good Job guys...!! This has all become about principal and the fact "we" drive sporty cars, targets us for unwanted and unneeded attention...

 

^^^ exactly.

 

Umm.. that’s just a little bit different. You were drinking and driving, a pretty well known offence.

This officer probably had to pull out the rule book just to find out how to ticket these guys. If he was just doing his job, then he would have been ticketing everyone down the street.

 

^^exactly!!! This is about to become news here and we are not trying to stir up the pot in Sylvan. We just need people to take note that there is two standards here. If a 60 year old is driving his hotrod down the road with tinted windows and a young person with a tuner car is right behind him with the same illegal stuff they would probably stop the young person before the older gent. That is what we are trying to get people to see. Todays new sport car seen is the same as yesterdays classic car seen.

 

Well said. After reading the posts this is the same thought I came away with.

I hope you guys do get at apoligy from the officer. It was completely clear that his only intention was to embarass you and flash his "authority" in front of a younger crowd.

 

James, that is an awesome letter, I hope you send that to Sylvan. Very, very well done.

 

He was clearly on a power trip and jsut ticketing becasue he could. it shows his level of attention when he noted my pontiac as a chevy on my ticket. proving he was just out to write tickets. any cop should of taken the time to find out what the car was. also shortly after our incident he pulled over a 4x4 chevy right infront of us with tined fornt windows and did not ticket him nor make him peel the tint......