What decal?

 

Lsjion wants to get his pattern and try it. He said if I wanted to ask him for it I could. But other than that I don't think he's doing full port jobs on the m62 just match ups to the ls4

 

he know who he is..... if your asking me then it obviously wasnt you..... im just saying that so called cheap ass decals are not so cheap........ they should find out for themselves how expensive it can get.....

 

You still got a long way to go man. You're going to need more than a ported head and blower. Pump gas is going to be a huge block in the road as well. Unless you just save the high hp days for the track and run race gas.

But I like the determination ya got!

 

less then 50 hp is not a long way to go.... it is however alot of money and time..... i can also make gains in tune you forget about....

 

It is when you are working with an inefficient blower... With my M62, 2.6" pulley, full bolt ons, a good amount of meth and custom HPT tune I made 275whp.

 

now you get my point..... inefficient blower....... we all know the m62 is definately not the way to go for big hp..... thats why it would sting when it walks away from you...... look i could say f it and go tvs, i still might...... as of now i am still seriously considering m62..... look guys, as it sits right now i have a zzp stg3 car with a **** load of work..... even if i could hit 300 whp on a m62, would you look at the car and say man thats one hell of a build..... even with no2 i have my doubts you would look at it and say its one hell of a build.... the truth is i have over 1000 man hours and god knows how much money to achieve a mere 260..... i am obviously someone who will take the risk of running no2..... so why not finish building the car then hooking a bottle to it and see what happens?

dont tell me im cheating by using no2.......


tell me jon how am i taking the easy road? sounds like i risking it all just to kick some ass...... i have made it very clear i could choose a better path.... but something inside me wants to do it the hard way.....

 

And I agree with you. As I stated earlier I kinda enjoy being the underdog. I'm just saying you aren't going to hit 300whp with the M62 as easy as you think is all with the lack of resources us Canadians deal with (E85).

I think Area47 said he hit 290whp with the M62 on meth but with a ported head and cams.

 

N2o isn't cheating. It's getting you to make power when you know you can't get anymore out of your motor. If you pulled away from my car after I swapped to a turbo, I'd say let's do it again and no n2o because without it you can't pull away. Nitrous isn't that big of a risk to the motor, if gm added a throttle switch into the stage 3 PCM then it's not that big of a risk.

That's like showing up to a knife fight with a ballistic knife and you shoot it at the guy from 5 feet away

You're never going to like my response on the subject like the lnf guys don't like my opinion on the 5th injector subject lol

 

well 290 is damn close enough dont you think? at 290whp that is a huge build with a m62, and deserves some respect..... whats the best way to cap that off? hook a bottle to it and have fun!!!!!!!!! 290 with a 100 or 150 shot would be close to 375, and that now puts a m62 in the same bracket as a tvs..... thats what i call putting on the big boy pants!!!!!!!


once again jon i dont have the war budget you do........... that is my point on where you find flaws in my **** too much.... not everyone can afford it....

 

You can't count nitrous as daily driven power. You don't drive on it everyday. That's my point here. If you're going to compare apples to apples then make sure the cars have comparable equipment. F/I to F/I, not F/I with nitrous to F/I. If you're taking on a V8 then compare away because those are 2 different classes but when it's a turbo cobalt vs a supercharged cobalt with nitrous then you are stacking the deck in your favor

 

o my lets talk about apples to apples jon..... turbo force induction does not equal supercharged force induction..... you can not tell me giving up 30-50 hp due to a belt a fair fight too....

 

a fair race would be me and pickles......... not you on a lsjt/ with a huge turbo and me on a tiny m62.....

 

A fair match would be me vs a tvs car

And forced induction is forced induction is it not? A stage 2 Lsj would be a fair match vs a stock lnf

 

thats not a fair match and you know it.... hahhahahahaahah come on jon.... now lets say blue hooked a bottle and you had yours dialed in to max out fuel delivery and psi..... i would consider that fair.....

in other words a fully built tvs car on a 2.8 and bottle against a lsjt running 30ish psi.... i would pay 10 dollars to watch that......


fi is not fi jon...... turbo does not equal sc...... however i would say a gmstg1 lnf with no custom tune would be equal to say my car....

 

Lol still thinking that nitrous is a fair advantage. It's not, it's like claiming you're running on pump gas when you are actually on 116. It never will be a fair advantage unless the other guy is running it too

 

I disagree. The powerband of a supercharger is what makes up for less hp.

Numbers aren't everything.

 

If a lnf flows more than the m62 then you upgrade the blower to make up for the lack of airflow, you don't add nitrous and call it fair! Lol

 

your still thinking sc is equal to turbo..... well its not, the loss of hp due to a belt driven system is far from equal......

like i said me and pickles would be a fair race...... his 2.8 hpt without meth to my 2.7 trifecta..... i would even let him use the meth for ***** and giggles

 

ya in your eyes only jon........... there is no way blue could make up almost 100 hp with powerband

 

Actually exact whp to whp turbo vs supercharger, the blower will generally come out on top in the end due to the powerband differences

It's just much easier to make big power with a turbo.

 

now lets say if blue had a end result of 375hp, and you dial back to 20lbs of boost, then i would say it could be a more equal battle.....

yes blue i agree the powerband does make a diff however you can not give up that much hp and rely on powerband to overcome it....

 

Superchargers have the down low advantage over turbos since turbos are meant to higher rpm power. It's all on what you want. If you think racing a turbo is unfair to you with your setup ad adding nitrous is the answer ten you got a screw or 2 loose! Lol

Get a procharger setup if you think the m62 won't keep up.

I believe that there is no sense of accomplishment by maxing out the m62 like countless others on this site have done. It's a waste of time and money when you could be using a tvs and make well above the maxed out m62 with the same amount of time and money.

Just my .02

 

i never said it would be fair....... hahhahahaha i never implicated it would be fair...... that was your thought only.......


ok fine jon just to please you i will get a tvs............... my lord...................... but really a tvs is far from fair in a match up against a k04 lnf....... even a zfr wouldnt even come close...... even with a 5th injector.......







btw jon this whole arguement was all about the term "putting on the big boy pants" if you shy away from the bottle then it seems to me your still wearing diapers........ no matter what your setup is..... do you see my point? i dare you to put some bb pants on and run some no2 on that lsjt

 

This is where the issue would be. C130 calculated that 1 psi was equal to about 10 hp, so you're telling me to back down my setup by 100 hp so it would be an even match?

you saw whay his car did to big bird before he blew it up, if he lined up with a turbo lsj and did the same race on the same setup before he blew it I bet you 1 gajillion dollars that the outcome would be the same with one small change. The turbo lsj would slowly catch up to him and maybe pass him but it would be close.