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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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can you shift fine from L to I to D?

ive never tried this yet, but i prolly will soon.

and when u shift do you just let off the gas or what??? ive never really tried doin this stuff in an automatic... i used to drive a stick. but my cobalt is auto
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dbss88
can you shift fine from L to I to D?

ive never tried this yet, but i prolly will soon.

and when u shift do you just let off the gas or what??? ive never really tried doin this stuff in an automatic... i used to drive a stick. but my cobalt is auto
Nope. Don't let off. Hold your foot to the floor at all times.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 09:46 PM
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Now how do you go about doing a burnout in the box with an auto?
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 09:52 PM
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For 1/4 mile racing you wont need to use 4th gear, so leave it off "D",
Mash the petal to the floor, start in "L" and shift up to "I" when you top out first gear, the automatic will do the rest.

The only reason you would need 4th gear is if your getting in excess of 95+mph. And you seriously should not be racing that fast in an auto 2.4l. The only cars you are going to beat at 100mph in our SS/NAs aren't worth racing.

Originally Posted by SuPeR ChArGeD 08
Now how do you go about doing a burnout in the box with an auto?
You won't get an impressive one, but try this brake starting technique that Halfcent described, You'll drop about 2500 rpms straight on the tires then you can go WOT, should let you squall rubber for at least a second or two.

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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by monkeiboy
You won't get an impressive one, but try this brake starting technique that Halfcent described, You'll drop about 2500 rpms straight on the tires then you can go WOT, should let you squall rubber for at least a second or two.
No E-brake needed? Because this kid at school has an old corolla and he pulls the ebrake and sits there smoking the hell out of his tires on dry pavementand then with my car you get a little chirp if I'm lucky.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 11:05 PM
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Whoa, whoa. The last several posts are all very wrong.

dbs88: Just read the first post and do what it says. There is nothing more to it. Just like Sushidog said.

Monkeiboy: Very wrong stuff there. You will need 4th. You select "I" or "2" AFTER the car has shifted to 2nd, not at the top of first. And there is no reason not to select "D" after the car shifts to 3rd. You most certainly can get a good burnout in these cars. Put the tires in the box, lock up the parking brake, and brake torque it to stall, then release. The wheels will burn indefinately, it will even shift to 2nd and keep spinning.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcent
Whoa, whoa. The last several posts are all very wrong.

dbs88: Just read the first post and do what it says. There is nothing more to it. Just like Sushidog said.

Monkeiboy: Very wrong stuff there. You will need 4th. You select "I" or "2" AFTER the car has shifted to 2nd, not at the top of first. And there is no reason not to select "D" after the car shifts to 3rd. You most certainly can get a good burnout in these cars. Put the tires in the box, lock up the parking brake, and brake torque it to stall, then release. The wheels will burn indefinately, it will even shift to 2nd and keep spinning.
whats brake torque?
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcent
You most certainly can get a good burnout in these cars. Put the tires in the box, lock up the parking brake, and brake torque it to stall, then release. The wheels will burn indefinately, it will even shift to 2nd and keep spinning.
Not with my tires lol. It works at the track, but any place else the tires just pull the locked up back end around.

At the track they shoot thru first, hit redline, then the car automatically cuts the throttle for some stupid reason
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wdsoccer
whats brake torque?
Again, please read the very first post of the thread.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 11:37 PM
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thanks, a simple "brake start" would of been cool.
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Old Jun 15, 2007 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Halfcent
Whoa, whoa. The last several posts are all very wrong.

dbs88: Just read the first post and do what it says. There is nothing more to it. Just like Sushidog said.

Monkeiboy: Very wrong stuff there. You will need 4th. You select "I" or "2" AFTER the car has shifted to 2nd, not at the top of first. And there is no reason not to select "D" after the car shifts to 3rd. You most certainly can get a good burnout in these cars. Put the tires in the box, lock up the parking brake, and brake torque it to stall, then release. The wheels will burn indefinately, it will even shift to 2nd and keep spinning.

3rd gear will take you safely up to 95 or so MPH. If you shift into into "D", you car will shift out of third at some point, no matter how much throttle you have on. For racing purposes, it would be better to stay out of the overdrive gearing unless your engine is redlining.

And I apologize about the burnout, MY car has a torque limiter when my parking brake is engaged (same as the brake start). It goes into limp mode if I try to gun it while the parking brake is on (I tried ). I just figured everyone elses was that way too.

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Not with my tires lol. It works at the track, but any place else the tires just pull the locked up back end around.

At the track they shoot thru first, hit redline, then the car automatically cuts the throttle for some stupid reason
Same as that, but mine doesn't hit redline

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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 08:16 PM
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The 4T45E has an open differential. Brake starting will probably result in one wheel spinning while the other one stands still. Without an LSD, you will need to practice your starts and vary your brake torqued throttle launch speed to get good launch traction.


2 things:

1.) 1 wheel, wtf? Being a noob I don't understand why
2.) I don't really get the second sentance
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 10:36 PM
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To understand, you have to understand what an open differential is. It's the gear set that delivers the power from the transmission to the actual drive shafts. It's designed so that one can spin while the other doesn't have to. That allows the wheels to spin at different speeds, which is necessary to turn a corner.

When you spin the tires on a drag launch, it is normal that one wheel will lose traction first instead of both at the same time. So, once that wheel starts spinning, it will continue to do so unless you let off the gas a little bit and let the tire regain traction.
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 04:32 PM
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Do they make LSD's for our tranny? I kinda want to do a little FWD drifting and i heard you need an LSD to do so.
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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Yes. Engineered Performance modifies stock units into LSD's. However, installing it is a huge job requiring taking your transmission completely apart.
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Old Jun 27, 2007 | 06:26 PM
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might be a EXTREMELY DUMB QUESTION, but in my car, the gears on my shift say,
1,2,D,N,R, then P.
im gunna guess that this L and I everyone was talkin about on page 2, those are 1 and 2 on my car?
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Old Jun 27, 2007 | 07:11 PM
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Correct. You have a 2005. They changed the labels in 2006.
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 10:08 PM
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You mentioned that it's not a bad idea to add in another tranny cooler. I may have missed this someplace, but:
-is there a GMPP version of this
-how 'cheap' are these things
-how much does brake launching fu[k up a stock balt?
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Old Jul 5, 2007 | 10:40 PM
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No GMPP cooler. They are generic in nature, and several good companies make various models.

$50 outta do it

It won't mess it up at really as long as you don't stand on the stall and cook your fluid. Torque it, release it, and the worst thing you are going to do it leave behind some rubber.
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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 02:28 AM
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With the Diff is it not bad to spin one tire as it is loosing traction while the other one is standing still? Would that not eat up the gears in the diff?
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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 11:43 AM
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No, the whole purpose of the differential is to allow the wheel to spin at different speeds.
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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 11:55 AM
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Halfcent, you mentioned needing to upgrade the torque converter after 250 ft-lbs. Who makes an aftermarket upgrade?
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 09:50 AM
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haha, i tried this last night while driving with my friend. I took off and we were headed down the road neck and neck and then I was like "WTF! Why's he slowing down?" then i realized i was about to hit a redlight at like- 102.
long story short i stopped the car at the right spot, but the brake launch was a blast. did leave a faint burnt smell under the hood though (and two big piles of rubber at the start and stop)...
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 11:50 PM
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I like to call it the "Prindel"
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by SlyBlu7
haha, i tried this last night while driving with my friend. I took off and we were headed down the road neck and neck and then I was like "WTF! Why's he slowing down?" then i realized i was about to hit a redlight at like- 102.
long story short i stopped the car at the right spot, but the brake launch was a blast. did leave a faint burnt smell under the hood though (and two big piles of rubber at the start and stop)...
Be safe killer.
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