? Your opinion. Here is my opinion "I think these cars should be able to go a little faster with practice."

Here is your opinion "MID 14!?!?!?!? Thats **** POOR, blah blah"

See the difference? Your opinion is childish, immature and closed minded.

He didnt completely trash your business either. Here is me completely trashing your business

"Team Vision Racing is a **** poor company. I'd be bitching up a storm if anyone took my car to them. I paid less to do all the work myself. This definately took Team Vision Racing off my list of places to go to have my car tuned and worked up"

Now thats completely trashing your business. Hmmm something oddly famaliar about that statement, I cant quite put my finger on it though.

 

hypsy you cant expect to come onto a forum of another car bash it and expect ppl to respect you or your business, your an embarrassment to the j-body community, and I would never want to be put in the same group or labeled.

To the ppl of this site we been putting up with his crap for years, hes nothing but a cataylst for stupidity, not all cavy owners are as stupid

 

weak

what does ur cavi run stock?

 

Guys, there's no reason to keep the childish taunting going if the point has been made.

Cavalier = Slow
Cobalt SS = Slow
To most car people anycar that isn't running mid 13s or better is slow.


I personally love cars whether they be 8sec monsters or 15 sec cruisers.....

Let's all just be mature about this little situation and go out and get faster

 

This from the man who fucked a radiator hose then admitted it to his friends and others. Enough said.

p7x: with just an intake I ran 15.39 seconds. About a second slower than a supercharged SS with an intake. Bone stock I was able to run 15.58.

CynicX: Point taken. CobaltSS.net is another place that cannot accept an outside opinion. I'm sorry if I think that mid 14s out of a supercharged car running 10+PSI and costing 25K (about 13K more than my car) is pathetic and slow. Especially after having to listen to all the local SS owners brag about how fast they were, oh and don't forget the dealers too. If I'm gonna pay $25K for a supercharged car, emissions or not, I expect 12s or at least a damn 13. Heck even a 13.9 would make me respect the Cobalt SS a LOT more. I'm sorry if my opinion of a mid 14 has soured your opinion of my business but that's the way it is sometimes. *shrug* I'm sure if you gave my business a chance and had caught me when I wasn't highly disappointed in something GM claimed was "big and bad import killer" I'd be a lot different but oh well. Hell man...I even told a SS owner. to his face even so you don't think I'm a *****, that his car was slow and a waste of an extra $10K+ after he ran a 14.7 with an intake. That's just how I am. I hate people who sugar coat things and change the way they are just to please others. Absolutely hate it. If it would make you, an everyone else, a little less hostile I will reiterate....If your happy with the times "congrats." That is not meant to be a joke that is meant seriously. I don't think it's good but if it is for a SS that's awesome.

BTW...please ignore and errors in spelling or grammar in this post. I have taken 10 minutes to type it out while drunk. I don't think my backspace key has seen this much use in a long time. I have to thank my friend too for telling me about my errors.

Sorry if I offended anyone too. I just stated my straight out opinion. I will remember to consider all things before doing so in the future. Thanks for your patience.

 

What I do with my ***** is none of your concern

Cobalts dont cost 25k, its 20,499

LS Sport Cavaliers were into the 18k range in cost so its not like theres a huge gap

So what you spent 5-6k + to get 2.5 seconds? SS owners can spend 700 bucks and get the Stage 3 Intense kit, GM performance parts, etc. This is no different than the age old argument about modding 2.2ohv motors. Sure you can slap a turbo on it and beat a 2.4 stock Z but the moment you mod the 2.4 its game over. Point being if a Cobalt owner drops not even half the money on mods as what you have, they will rape you badly.

They have a much higher ceiling for modding as far as how far the power can be taken, your rods will be out the motor before you ever reach the same power levels because its simply a better motor and a better transmission, thats what your paying for. When you start reaching serious power levels see how long that diff of yours lasts.

You bought a base model cavalier of course its cheaper, thats what a base cavalier is, cheap and so is everything about it, the SS is superior in all but 2 catogories which is curb weight and straight line acceleration, the cavy loses in cornering and braking BADLY, not to mention looking way hotter and having much better interior and stereo something the cavy lacks big time.

I mean its no different than the import guys going out and buying a shoe looking civic hatch for 500 bucks with no motor and 13 inch wheels then putting a stock engine from another car still smaller in displacement than our motors and spanking us in straight line acceleration. I can spend 10k less than hypsy has to build a honda and wipe the floor with him but how fugly is the car going to look at the end of the day? If your looking to make big power at a low cost your an idiot for modding a cavalier in the first place because your spending thousands more for inferior parts than what the import guys do.

"I was refering to all aspects of the car. Not pure power ONLY. I judge a car on more than power because it is so easy to make more power these days." - obviously not

 

First off I gotta say this thread is hilarious, very comical. It started with a guy having a good day at the track, besting Road & Track drivers times in the 1/4 mile. hypsy, you did kind of sour it when you said these are **** poor cars with crappy times and all, however, I respect your opinion. I realize not everyone that is interested in cars is going to like these Cobalts. Being negative towards Cobalts on a site that is dedicated to Cobalts, I'm not suprised at the reactions you recieved, you shouldn't be either, but you stuck to your guns and I respect that too. CynicX, man I fell out of my chair with the whole trashing deal, that **** was funny. I really like my Cobalt SS/SC. The interior is a far cry from luxury status, but I like it better than my old Cavis. I don't really like the overall style of the SRT4, that has a lot to do with my sister driving a Neon. Plus I think the SS handles better when connecting corners and such. I test drove an SRT4 on the same roads as the SS for ***** and giggles and the SS did way better (IMO). I think the lines on the SS are far more pleasing and even sexier than the other cars in it's class. I really made up my mind when I read about the "Time Attack" Cobalt, if you haven't researched that, you should. I think that's where GM got the nickname "Import Killer."

 

Hey hypsy, please tell me what car runs 12s ,stock, for under 25K! If there is one, I will buy it!!

 

I never said a car had to run 12s stock. My whole arguement was that a 14.4 out of an SS/SC isn't exactly good...and I'll hold to my arguement, but I will say this. The way my reply came off was twisted way out of wack. It was never meant as a direct insult to the poster or this site...simply a rough stating of my opinion. Nothing more. I'll apologize for that but will not apologize for any of my replies after being directly challlenged.

For reference here's where I stand:
1) Any supercharged, hell turbocharged even, car running 10+PSI and over 200HP and being a "Import Killer" as called by a manufacture should at least be able to hit 13s. Anyone with a Civic can drop a few dimes and be at 13s as previously stated. If GM wants a Import Killer you gotta be able to keep up first.
2) From my 5 test drives of all packages of the SRT-4s and all 4 test drives of the various SS/SC packages the SRT-4 is the winner. I felt more comfortable when riping in one and felt the car had better response. The SS won on the tight **** though as I couldn't get the rear end to bobble at all like I did all the SRTs except the ACR package. The SRT won on off the line power though comparing both versions with LSDs. The SRT simply got up and out faster than the SS and the SS had way too much wheelhop going on between shifts.
3) For the $5-6K or so I've spent on my car someone could build a 11 or 10 second Honda. Were not talking about Hondas here though. We're talking about 2 GM cars.
4) For the total investment, SS/SC vs my base cav + mods, I will take my car for everything but autocross. This comes from the more stable feeling in a SS but that could also be because I have my car set up to handle good on the road at good speeds and to control the power in the 1/4 and not fling it around turns...yet.
5) In the interior contest the SRT wins hands down. The SS interior felt too fake and too plasticie. If I'm gonna spend that much on either car I want something that looks good inside AND out.

I'm done fighting though. If you want to return this to some semblence of intelligent posting then feel free. Those are the only replies I will respond to. I have posted my opinions and my reasonings behind them. I may have forgot a few issues but I'm hung over and just want to end the typing so I can take some Tylonal (sp). Oh and if you want to have an INTELLIGENT conversation feel free to IM me on AIM if I'm on and we can discuss things further. I won't back down from my opoinions but you might be able to change my outlook on some aspects of the Cobalt that I find lacking.

 

hypsy, what, are you f-ing retarded? You've spent HOW MUCH of your time drag racing over the last year, but you still base your opinion of the Cobalt being fast or slow off of ET and not trap? The car is trapping almost 100 mph stock... thats plenty good for mid 13's with a driver that's had enough practice. According to you, the SRT4 isn't **** poor, but it traps within 1-2 mph of the SS... and their drivers are no better... I see them at the track running high 14's all the time. Doesn't mean they suck, just means that the driver hasn't had enough practice. How you of all people, with your track experiences can talk out your ass like that is ridiculous.... Trap Speed = Car's Performance, ET= Driver Performance + Car's Performance... and then, after bashing these guys cars, you get offended at people talking about your business? If you go on a forum, and your SIG is your COMPANY NAME AND LINK, then every time you post, you are REPRESENTING YOUR COMPANY, whether you THINK you are or not. I wouldn't buy from your ass either with all the **** you talk. What's really funny is how you were one of the first people getting pissed at Suncavi for running 12's and then "acting like he's god".... looks like he handed the baton to you, huh?

 

When someone brings a piece of junk into the shop to be worked on, I keep my opinion to myself and help the person out to get the job done. It's called being professional.

Intentional or not, you've associated your attitude with your company and there is no one to blame but yourself for that. If you're interested in building a business, you don't insult potential customers.

 

 

Jersey Jay: It's funny how you know what I think of the SRT-4 WHEN I HAVEN'T POSTED MY FEELINGS ON IT. I think they are a joke too in a lot of cases. I've seen stock ones run 13.90s and 14.90s. Guess who I give the respect to? The driver and not the car.

I can say that a 14.4 is **** poor for a SS even if it traps at 100MPH. Just means it has a ******* awesome top end pull. Heck man, I trapped 109 in January on a cold ass track running 14.60s. Does that mean people have to give me credit because I can trap 109? NO. it means my car can get its ass moving once its off the line. The ET shows the ENTIRE story not just top end. Want an example? Here's a good one using that same January pass.

My split times that day from 1000ft to 1320ft were 2.1xx seconds. It was 40 degres out, no heat in the track, and on street tires. My splits from 60ft to 330ft were in the 4.0xx to 4.2xx second range.

On April 1 I went to the track again. Ran the car the same way. My splits from 1000ft to 1320ft were IDENTICAL to what they were in January. It was 20 degrees warmer too. But my 60ft to 300ft splits went down to 3.6xx-3.8xx seconds.

If I gave you, 13.79@109 and 13.10@107 which were my 2 best runs respectively on those dates, you would think they were pretty similar runs especially if you look at just the trap like you suggest. You can see there is almost a 7 tenth of a second difference though in ET. You see why I don't just look at trap but at ET too? ET tells a story, trap is a chapter in that story. THAT is something I learned last year.

 

weak, ill choose a stock ss over a modded cav any day, end of story.

 

Funny you didn't say ONE THING in his 12 second thread I knew you and pork would keep your mouths shut when you saw his timeslip . But what part of that was BS? OVERALL, around a roadcourse, braking, etc., the srt-4 DOES lose. It has a slight upper hand in the straightline (which I've yet to race one so that I can prove that wrong), but that's all it has.

 

E.T. is a reflection of your launching abilities. Trap speed is a good measuring tool of your power. Your trap speed should always be close to the same number, while e.t. will vary greatly depending on your launch. Look at Fast06SS for example. He can drop .3 to .5 off of his time in one night, just by getting the launch down-but yet his trap stays the same throughout the night.

 

Totally true, after the launch, it's just shifting.
The launch is what counts, the rest is roll-racing(gay).
The higher the trap, the lower the e.t should be.
If it was all about trap and power, have a dyno day!
If it's about skill, well thought out supporting mods,
and experience, hit the strip!!!


Nice times to the thread starter, very quick car!

 

I would love to prove you wrong and show how slow your car really is.

 

Good. IDDVII, 4-30-06, be there. Unfortunately for you though, I'll already be in the 12's by then-better bring more than your neon.

As for the bs flag, I'm still waiting for you to prove Rob wrong?

Lastly, where were you in the 12 sec. cobalt thread? I was anxiously waiting to see what our SRT-4 trolls had to say about us reaching 12's with not that many mods?

 

LMFAO, sure you will be in the 12's. You would have to bring more than a Cobalt trapping more than 106 to strike fear in me... not many mods to get 12's sure.

Your right thats not a lot of mods...and cheap too.


Stop shitting up this thread and worry about gettting your own slow ass car out of the high 14's.

 

Why would you think my car runs 14's? How do you know I'm not stock? C'mon, be smarter than that! All I've got in my sig, is what I dyno'd stock, not modde'd. Don't worry, traps will be higher than 106 by IDD, you have no clue. You've got no proof that you drive anything, much less an SRT-4, and you've got no proof that yours is fast, yet you come in here calling everyone else's car slow? Yeah, real mature
I'm glad you think my car runs high 14's, it'll just be that much more of a shocker when you get smoked at the track Again, keep making yourself look unintelligient.
Oh, again, why weren't you running your mouth in the 12 sec thread?

 

No just yours is slow. I wonder how much you paid to get that BS stock dyno pull. I've posted up pics so I dont have anything to prove. With the mods that are out for the Cobalt right now... no sweat. Just keep the mods coming. PM me if you want to continue this conversation.

 

I haven't seen any timeslips that prove you don't run 15's.

 

why dont the both of yah meet up some where and fight it out.