Maven

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lol wow, Didnt feel I needed to specify I was interested in COBALT ECOTEC times since this is a COBALT website. Clearly some people understood that since no one was quoting me 2.2 LN2 times nor was there a single time on here from an A515 Chrysler or an EJ22 Suby.

hungryhip-ccp

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you must really have like no patience for ignorance... your the worst i'v seen lately! may i ask you how do you deal with everyday situations? you must be a real pleasure to be around

07MetallicSC

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ditto that

and arent the 2.2 ecos the same in both the cobalt and the cavalier?

Maven

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why should I need to have patience for ignorance??

I dont think my response was that outlandish or even offensive. S/He made 3 comments regarding a particular car/drivers accomplishments. I responded respectfully to the first comment:

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07MetallicSC : Fred at SMG has the quickest I believe :-)

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Maven :Yeah I am well aware of the achievments of the J-body guys....

Then I get this:

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07MetallicSC: Fred from smg has beaten PJs time.....

Which is blatantly ignorant because not only did I already acknowledge the J body issue, I also specifically pointed out that PJ's time wasnt the top J E.T.
But I responded in a civil and reasonable manner:

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Maven : Okay, So have other people, thanks. (Fred is also now turbo)

To which I get the unbelievable 3rd reply of:

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07MetallicSC :freds cavalier went 13.6 all motor 2.2

Its only now that I even get agitated. I had already pointed out that I knew what the J guys were doin, and who the fast J guys were, I also made it clear I wasnt able(or willing) to get an '08 Cobalt down to the weight of the lightened STREET cars of PJ, Ben and others, and 07Metallic continues to inform me of the times that Fred has gotten in his fully gutted and race prepped Cavalier.

And I am the one to be called out as a "bitch"?!??!

07MetallicSC appears to just be repetitively posting information that s/he feels like, without even looking at the content of whats already been posted or attempting to fruitfully add to the discussion.

The extent of my expression of impatience or anger at the situation was a single "wtf", and "give it a rest" If those statements put me atop the list of people with short tempers and low tolerance at CSS then i guess thats a good thing as it would indicate that this place has matured a great bit if I am now the biggest *******. But sadly we all know that isnt the case.

Okay, NOW I am gonna lash out. WHAT THE F*CK IS YOUR PROBLEM?!?!?!?!

Are you even reading any of the posts? Do you realize that you are on the COBALT website right now, and its highly likely that any questions asked are gonna be in reference to that platform?


Who gives a **** if the engines are the same, the cars are different, the Cobalt weighs more, not just a little either, we are talking potentially 400+lbs difference when you strip a J and strip a Cobalt. Thats a massive difference.
The 2.2 that came in the Classic was the same too but its a different car.....The L61 also came in the GA and the Alero but I didnt hear anything about those cars setting low times....WHY??? because they weigh hundreds and hundreds of pounds more than a J body and arent in the same league, so the same results cant be expected. Just like we cant expect the same results from a Delta as we can from a J body.


If you cant be bothered to read the f*cking thread and contribute in an even remotely adult or worthwhile fashion why even come in????

jbenso4

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im all motor

IonNinja

I gotta agree with Maven on this sorry...

have never ran my 2.2 N/A yet at the track, after cams and a tune I wouldn't mind givin it a shot. i'm about the closest non Cobalt 2.2 you could use for comparison sake

umrdyldo

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So really how hard is cam install on these bastards?

I really want to, but I am so scared to do it myself and need to find a dealer that is knowledgable

I think with a cam, fully bolted, tune, and weight reduction that a high 14 would be easy.

YzRider452

I ran 15.026 at 93 something all motor.

07MetallicSC

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lol why bother getting all worked up over the internet man seriously. just over read stuff.

hungryhip-ccp

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[QUOTE=Maven;2853284]why should I need to have patience for ignorance??



ehh all i was getting at is...

this site has gone down hill hence why you dont come on here anymore right? then you open a thread and mention the "2.2" word... that is like saying "ignorant posts here please" im sorry but that is were all the bs stems from... and you were well aware of that! so to get so worked up over it (just seems like you were wound a little tight today) then ignore ignorance and move on you'll waste alot of breath trying to comment back to all of em and in the meantime get really worked up...

thes are just things i have been through and thats the way i feel about it. but again its jmo


i mean **** half no three quartes of the 2.2 people dont even read before they post... they're like crack heads... with the post button being the crack.... they just cant leave it alone... lets not even start about the new thread button

Maven

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Yeah, your time is pretty respectable, low 15's is what expected, wasnt sure if anyone hit 14's yet.

Cams in this are no harder than cams in any other engine. There are special tools that make it a relatively quick job as well that doesnt even involve touching the timing chains.
I was hoping that a solid L61 build in a Coby would get 14 second slips, and I am now pretty sure that it will, as you pointed out, cams will be key.

Youre the benchmark then.

STFU
Thanks for taking the time to post a well thought and insightful reply, and not just flipping out and assuming I had a problem with you simply because I quoted you

You of course are pretty much spot on, but I am very glad to see that there have actually been a few people who can actually read and use simple logic and reasoning skills post in this thread. And some of them even understand the task I am inquiring about and the challenges that need to be addressed.

Though I will most likely will not get the mantle, let me officially throw the gauntlet here.....Build a 14 second all motor L61 powered Cobalt/G5/ion(Z22se Astra G for any of us who dont live in the Colonies, do these already exist??)

IonNinja

no wonder you ran 13's on spray, you just have an insanely strong motor. either that or you're running at sea level?!

you sure you don't have a 2.4 under the hood?

Jn2

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i did a 15.7, nothin special, did that on intake and full lsj exhaust, im planning on going back to the track sometime in december, now i have intake, tranny mounts, vibrant header/dp, greddy exhaust...i should be somewhere in the lower 15's

07MetallicSC

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lol have fun with your LS

Jn2

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have fun in your outdated SS

07MetallicSC

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lol outdated 2007....riiiiggghhhtt have fun trying to look like my outdated ss with your spoiler.

cakeeater

we should compile the threads where bolt on 2.2's beat low 14 second (or faster) cars and then refer them to this.

Jn2

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as for the wing, it became a option that year, even the SS didnt come with them, they came with the low rise, you should of known that, and im not trying to look like a SS, and u r outdated, dont u see the 08-09 is turbo'd?, making u outdated, hell the new 2.2 has VVT, making mine outdated, stop thinking ur SS is the ****

07MetallicSC

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I didnt say nothin about it being the ****, and as for the spoiler, the 2nd half of the year ss's had the larger spoiler as an option, not the early batch, did you know that?

umrdyldo

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Back to motors, not wings.

07MetallicSC

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exactly

FASTL61

weak sauce...there always some SS buff in here."my cars faster!"yes we know get over it...

07MetallicSC

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but the thing of it was i never said anything about my SS and speed or faster or nothing because it has nothing to do with this thread

umrdyldo

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Alright back on topic

Lets get a list of what is needed for a high 14

Intake
2.4 intake manifold
Header
D/P
No bigger than 2.5 inch exhaust
tune
engine and tranny mounts
better tires
lower tire pressure
weight reduction (150lbs or more)
drag bags (maybe spring rubber, but I can't find what I saw once)
Good driver (2.3 or less 60'

Would that do it?

cakeeater

have fun being a tool with a maybe 13 sec car you think is the ****.