Same stock as I do Modded... Odd...
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Same stock as I do Modded... Odd...
Here's me stock, I'm 100% stock, 15psi no GMS1 just what GM Gave me using launch control 5000rpms

Here's me bolted, fully bolted with Trifecta 23 psi with ESC off launching at 2500-3000rpms

The only difference between the two dates is that when I was stock I used launch control at 5000 rpms. Now that I'm bolted and tuned, I struggled with wheel spin on the streets got advice from members and they gave me the advice to use 2500-3000 on the street. Well I did that on the streets and it helped dramatically.
So I launched at 2500-3000 at the track and got the poor times above. I think next time I go I'm gonna try launch control at 5000 or get Trifectas new software and try to launch at 4000
****Update****
Okay all you guys saying "driver mod" you guys are partially right. I spoke with Vince and he told me exactly what's going on from my datalogs.
There's an obvious skill issue here, but it's also altitude.
Here's what Vince had to say
So basically my car isn't gonna be as good as yours up here, but it's performing fine. The low 2.5 60' is all poor skill.
We all start somewhere.

Here's me bolted, fully bolted with Trifecta 23 psi with ESC off launching at 2500-3000rpms

The only difference between the two dates is that when I was stock I used launch control at 5000 rpms. Now that I'm bolted and tuned, I struggled with wheel spin on the streets got advice from members and they gave me the advice to use 2500-3000 on the street. Well I did that on the streets and it helped dramatically.
So I launched at 2500-3000 at the track and got the poor times above. I think next time I go I'm gonna try launch control at 5000 or get Trifectas new software and try to launch at 4000
****Update****
Okay all you guys saying "driver mod" you guys are partially right. I spoke with Vince and he told me exactly what's going on from my datalogs.
There's an obvious skill issue here, but it's also altitude.
Here's what Vince had to say
The BARO sensor from the log says you’re at 81kPa barometric pressure – that’s pretty low, you must be at some altitude
The reason your car is trapping low and not picking up much power is because there is no air where you’re at.
From the factory, GM sets these cars up to make a certain amount of power at the wheels, and gives wide discretion to the turbocharger to adjust to meet these targets.
This means the car will make 260HP at sea level and 260HP at high altitude simply by modulating the amount of boost from the turbo.
Because of your altitude, the turbocharger may be working close to its limit just to make 260HP.
In custom tuning, we change the rule to say “Make x amount of boost all the time, regardless of how much power that is.” This results in spectacular gains at sea level, where the turbocharger is relied on much less, but the higher you go, the less of a difference in power you will see because the stock tune is using the turbo much more.
The logs show you are hitting 100% turbine speed. I can’t make the ECM make the turbo spin any faster than it already is. There’s a good chance it’s very close to spinning that fast even on the stock tune due to your elevation. So, when people say you should be trapping 106-110MPH, they are correct – IF you are at low elevation. And you would.
Well, for comparison sake, tuned Cobalt SS cars will make up to 260kPa of absolute manifold pressure at sea level. The highest spike is 235kPa at your altitude and sustained looks more like 220kPa.
The reason your car is trapping low and not picking up much power is because there is no air where you’re at.
From the factory, GM sets these cars up to make a certain amount of power at the wheels, and gives wide discretion to the turbocharger to adjust to meet these targets.
This means the car will make 260HP at sea level and 260HP at high altitude simply by modulating the amount of boost from the turbo.
Because of your altitude, the turbocharger may be working close to its limit just to make 260HP.
In custom tuning, we change the rule to say “Make x amount of boost all the time, regardless of how much power that is.” This results in spectacular gains at sea level, where the turbocharger is relied on much less, but the higher you go, the less of a difference in power you will see because the stock tune is using the turbo much more.
The logs show you are hitting 100% turbine speed. I can’t make the ECM make the turbo spin any faster than it already is. There’s a good chance it’s very close to spinning that fast even on the stock tune due to your elevation. So, when people say you should be trapping 106-110MPH, they are correct – IF you are at low elevation. And you would.
Well, for comparison sake, tuned Cobalt SS cars will make up to 260kPa of absolute manifold pressure at sea level. The highest spike is 235kPa at your altitude and sustained looks more like 220kPa.
We all start somewhere.
Last edited by vahdyx; Apr 12, 2011 at 02:40 PM.
You got a 2.5 60'. Theres your problem. Your 1/8th MPH is way low and so is the time for that, not to mention your final trap.
My conclusion is that you need a driver mod, no offense. That or there is something seriously wrong with your car.
My conclusion is that you need a driver mod, no offense. That or there is something seriously wrong with your car.
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I dyno'd at 310/377 and I'm running like I do stock, I don't understand.
What am I doing wrong then? If launching at higher rpms isn't gonna help what should I do?
Could it be possible that ESC off had something to do with it?
What am I doing wrong then? If launching at higher rpms isn't gonna help what should I do?
Could it be possible that ESC off had something to do with it?
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I didn't pay attention to my boost while on the track, so I don't know. Maybe having ESC off, offed my trifecta tune?
I don't get it, I'll go up again next week and try again. Any advice
I don't get it, I'll go up again next week and try again. Any advice
Last edited by vahdyx; Apr 9, 2011 at 07:36 PM.
he has a 22 mph back half both runs... not pulling any harder. looks like he made up the most time after 60 to 1/8th mile
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well it must be that I suck at launching. I went in the on ramp with ESC off and its still boosting 23psi lol. no excuses now. i just plain suck lol.
I did have a 210lbs passenger with me in all the runs.
I did have a 210lbs passenger with me in all the runs.
Are you sure the tune was on? You should be at least 6 mph higher than the stock times. The 60 foot doesnt help but doesnt hurt your trap speed. Not much else someone can help you with without seeing you actually in action. Strap a video camera to the steering wheel and make some runs, you can tell alot from that, you can tell how your slipping the clutch to when your shifting and how fast your shifting.
Even without him you would still only be running ~14.2
Even without him you would still only be running ~14.2
Last edited by cmiller8006; Apr 9, 2011 at 08:19 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Make sure your cruise control is off....I here trifecta has an extra component that allows you to turn on cruise control and it will use less power or something like that. Also, if the car and/or tune is not the problem then it may be you.
My old SS/SC had 240whp, and it ran a 14.3. My GMS1 TC runs 13.7 right now. So, something is definitely up.
My old SS/SC had 240whp, and it ran a 14.3. My GMS1 TC runs 13.7 right now. So, something is definitely up.
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I don't even know what double clutching is. I may be granny shifting.
Something is up for sure, the other 2 Colorado Cobalts ran 14.1 GMS1 no boltons and 13.8 fully bolted no tune.
Do you guys think my car is messed up?
Something is up for sure, the other 2 Colorado Cobalts ran 14.1 GMS1 no boltons and 13.8 fully bolted no tune.
Do you guys think my car is messed up?
Last edited by vahdyx; Apr 9, 2011 at 10:41 PM.
Ok OP think about this. Your launch, 60 foot time, and 1-2 shift will be the biggest thing to make or break your run. A tuned T/C puts down alot of power to the tires and will make them spin effortlessley. And when you spin, it is not propelling you forward. As hard as it is to not just mash the gas, you can not do that. You need to launch at a low RPM, and roll into the gas slowly.
You'll get it though. It just takes alot of practice and getting used to your car. Just remember to relax and keep the tires under control.
Just a thought, was your clucth slipping?
You'll get it though. It just takes alot of practice and getting used to your car. Just remember to relax and keep the tires under control.
Just a thought, was your clucth slipping?
Those are stock trap speeds at higher altiutude, since he has a trifecta tune he probably wasn't running in tuned mode.
Trifecta tunes can be turned on by either the cruise control button, or by putting the car in competition mode, depending on how you ordered it from Vince.
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Trifecta tunes can be turned on by either the cruise control button, or by putting the car in competition mode, depending on how you ordered it from Vince.
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I noticed that. but cutting a 60ft that's 2 tenth's longer than when stock is not going to help his ET, Which is why he need's DRIVER MOD! To the Op your prolly boggin off the line, And spinning it on the second shift possibly NLS?, Hench the high traps, REcord your next track visit WITHOUT a passenger and we can give tip's from there.


