ralliartist

So what is a Shop Car? Let's decide as a forum. Poll will be open till Jan 31st.

Option 1 = shop car as any car OWNED by the SHOP and/or with parts designed by a shop to showcase the potential that is not avail to the public and used by inhouse(employees) cars.

Option 2 =Shop car: as: A car built by a shop to test and promote their products for profit or to race competitively. Car is OWNED by the SHOP.

Option 3 = and who cares if it's a shop car .. this is about pushing the envelop you guys need to stop crying over little things.. this is supposed to showcase the best of the best.. who cares how they did it

So there you have it, READ CAREFULLY! and choose which option you want. Obviously the option with the most votes will be what we use as the new rule after Jan 31st.



Okay, I think I've covered all the grounds this time.

HunterKiller89

iTrader: (1)

OPTIONS #1 and #3

ralliartist

well, which one do you want to see as a rule?

huckernage

i have voted for option 1.

it is not avail to the public and used by inhouse(employees) cars.

G85 SS

One.

slowswap

One and three should be the only choices people choose. Two is just not an option compared to number one.

Perfect.disguise

All an "employee" would have to do is make a new user name, so whats the point of changing it?

slowswap

Picture of the car is required. Pretty easy to compare pictures.

Perfect.disguise

Pretty easy to fake a picture.

hatrickstu

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the picture thing wasnt as "case closed" as possibly anyways. not meaning to stir up drama, but look at onecoldbizz's picture in the old thread

ralliartist

yes, the current rules still apply to all drag racing lists. Must provide a picture and/or vid of the car. We got some very good investigators on this site, I'm sure they could crack down and find out who's car it really is. They found CBodnar no matter what type of screen name he used.

as for the options, there are just too many people arguing and wanting different things. So here's your chance to vote for what you want. Do you want shop cars involved or not? And if you don't, then what's your definition of a shop car? Is a shop car owned by the shop? or does an employee's car count?

So there you have it. I'm just doing what I can to keep the competition going so that the forum will keep rapidly progressing as it did over 2009. Hell, before 2009, we only had a few people that had barely broken 12's, and there was nothing but conspiracies for anything else. Now you have proof and a rapid advancement of the community as a whole.

not really. I haven't seen one go over on this community yet. We have a bunch of hardcore computer investigators here for some reason.

Flatgod

iTrader: (1)

So basically one is a way of defining everyone who works at ZZP's car a shop car?

hatrickstu

iTrader: (1)

if they work at zzp, they test parts for zzp, have zzp help in every aspect of building the car, it is a zzp car, i dont care whos name is on the title. the same could be said if OTT had a shop car, TTR had a shop car, etc.

ralliartist

well, this would disqualify more than just zzp's employee cars, it would also disqualify any OTTP project cars, as well as powell's cars, etc. Any company that has a car or has employees that work for them that get those "special" products.

ralliartist

exactly. People like me and STU here that build/mod our cars right in our driveways are at a disadvantage to people that have a huge shop to just go in and say, "hey boss, could you let me try that there s356 out on my car? Oh and I'm going to use those slicks over there in the corner."

Perfect.disguise

You would only know if it was caught. Just saying it wouldn't be hard to make a user name and just take a picture of your friends car (along with the correct number). Or a "I quit" or "I sold the car".

hatrickstu

iTrader: (1)

EXACTLY.

ralli for *****, go look at onecoldbizz's pic on his time.

Flatgod

iTrader: (1)

Exactly. So my dad has a shop, we do work on my car that's not available to the masses. Does that mean I'm a Lyle's Service shop car? Where do you draw the line?

ralliartist

I feel ya man, we are doing what we can to make everything fair to everyone. If someone slips through the cracks, then they did a damn good job of it.

I did, I didn't realize I let a pic like that get by. THat was my fault, I'll take the blame for it.

hatrickstu

iTrader: (1)

Does your dad's shop develop parts for the cobalt community? Do you get parts way cheaper because the shop is covering the costs for them? Do you WORK for that shop? If so, then yep, you are a shop car. Quit thinking we are just after ZZP.

its all good, you have done a good job at keeping up with the times. alot of boards are like digging through a hay stack to compare some good times.

ralliartist

the line will be drawn when the voting is done. Read the options! Is your dad developing parts that are unavailable to the public?

I appreciate that man. Means a lot. I only wish I could get back involved and be one of the people on those lists. LOL. But I gotta do what my country wants me to do for now. I'm hoping to take some leave this summer and put the 'balt back together. In the meantime, I'll just enjoy trying to urge the community to get faster and faster.

Flatgod

iTrader: (1)

Of course the the parts are cheaper, it's my dads shop. Do I work for him if I work for free? And don't deny that ZZP is what this is really all about. Don't tip toe around it. Not some ZZP Nut Hugger but it's pretty obvious ppl hated their cars not being designated as "SHOP" cars.

hatrickstu

iTrader: (1)

nobody hated their car, you are smoking some good ****. the only thing we are getting at is that its not fair (and some of the fun is taking out of competition) when you have individuals competing on a budget and are in the same "class" as a shop car. the only reason zzp is being brought up is because they are the only ones running shop cars lol. get over it, the votes are obviously backing this opinion.

ralliartist

For one, I don't hate ZZP at all. I'm trying to be completely unbiased here. I've tried to give them extra praise when I thought it was due, and people jumped me for it. But at the same time, I am one of those guys that does everything by myself sitting right in my driveway, hardly any power tools except for the ones I got from Walmart or Menards.

I've stated my personal opinion on what a shop car is over and over, but there are soo many different views about it. So instead of doing what I think is right, I've got this here poll open to let everyone vote as a community.

Yes, some people are out to stop ZZP's employees because they think it's unfair, but at the same time, this rule won't apply to just ZZP employees, it'll apply to all companies in the ecotec market.

Stu is hitting the nail on the head. I don't get what is so confusing, you got two hardcore drag guys trying to lay it out for you. Both myself and Stu are not biased people, and at the same time, We both have a passion for Drag Racing and this community. Can't you see that we are just trying to keep the competition alive and fair?

Flatgod

iTrader: (1)

Well under option #1 would that not include tuners that tune other PPL's cars for money? They develope tunes in house not available to the public and sell them to other ppl for $. Yes anyone can tune their own car, but under that mindset anyone can build their own 2.3l stroker. Not wanting to start a flamewar and I understand ZZP employees at at quite an advantage but so are engineers and any mechanics compared to the average joe.

PS I was not implying the OP or anyone on here Hates ZZP or their cars. Speaking more in a general term when I made that comment sorry if anyone was misled.