i think the asterisk thing is a great idea actually

 

I voted for #2, but only because #1 could apply at the same time. I think #1 and #2 are the same. It should be just #1 and #2 vs #3.

 

Only problem I see with this is it requires honesty on the part of the car owner.

 

well said

this would mean i would have a shop car.. because i've developed the procharger thing with a company, i've done all the fab work outside of the bracket, i go parts a deep discounts redrills on for the bracket for free because it was wrong the first time, just because I don't have an LLC would be the only reason I wouldn't be a shop car though..

that would mean about a handful of the people that should be on throwdown wont be eligible due to custom projects that aren't easily attainable and not to mention, there wont be anything different from zzp and someone else when they release their turbo kit.. eventually everything will be coming out ..

it's a throw down.. basically what it's always going to come down to is, who has the most money/ can get the best deal or do the most work themselves. So a fast car is a fast car, it's not like any of the shop cars are rubbing it in people faces that they'll be the fastest

if you want to use an Astrix to denote it whatever.. but leave them on the the list in the correct spot though

 

A shop is a registered business. A business, by simple definition, is a legal entity with its own rights where it can enter into legally binding contracts and obtain ownership in tangible items, such as a car. Therefore, I think tuners who personally own their cars, not the legally entity such as a business, should be allowed on the top 10. Shops should not be able to be on the list.

There is a vendor section where vendors can discuss their accomplishments from parts they are trying to market. Any time a shop produces a result it is R&D. Any time they discuss they result it is marketing.

A shop employee, however, should be able to be on the top 10 list, if, and only if, they are not using parts the shop has developed and are not available to the generel public. Once the parts become attainable the employees car can be added to the list, not the shops car.

As for DIY'ers, they should be able to be on the list regardless of their mods. They are not a vendor, and they did not make the part for the general consumer to purchase. Tunes are the only exception.

Everybody has varying skills they can accomplish on their own. If they decide to fabricate a part on their own, they should still be able to be on the list. Should a shop choose to buy said product and replicate it, that is not the DIY'ers fault, and they should not be penalized. They DIY'er is not a business, but an innovator. If somebody requires shop assistance for a custom build, I think that is debatable as I can go both ways on that, depending on the how much the shop did v. how much the DIY'er did.

Btw, I'm not hating on any vendor. I just think they have an unfair advantage. I'm a loyal customer to several vendors on this forum such as ZZP, OTTP, MRZ, etc.

 

I think my classification is perfectly legit, and it covers what the real concern is, its not(or shouldnt be) who owns or built the car, but more the mods it has. Just like we have a TVS and M62 designator so the M62 guys dont bitch that the TVS guys are faster because they use a better blower, same goes with all the I, M, H, DP, etc.......we just need one to specify truly custom or prototype parts that offer an advantage.....

Whether it be UMlike I mentioned before, or XP, PROTO whatever, it just need to in the mods list.

 

It got this pathetic? An LSJ is a ******* LSJ. I understand the desire to see who's faster with what and comparing apples-apples, but this is f'd. This is why I usually stay out of this section of the forum. I just happened to see the thread on the home page and thought it would be interesting. What's next? Somebody going to tell me that turbo converted LSJ's have their own list too.

 

And then where does it end? Perhaps we should have different designations for different elevations. I'm at 1500ft, it's not fair to compare me to ppl at sea level. It's not fair or practical that I should have to drive 17+hours to get to sea level to compete. So maybe there should be a TVS Proto 1550 ft elevation class so I can have first and feel better about myself.

 

Bwahahahaha!

I fully understand. A year ago I lived in Salt Lake City, Utah. They are 4,200 feet above sea level. Corrected = 7,000-11,000. If you want to make things even somebody could always use a correction calculator and have both times listed. This whole thing can get ridiculous real fast.

 

Option 4: circle jerk

Even if my car could have the top spot, I'm not worried about it anymore. Only took the first 3 days of 1010 before I lost interest.

I have a headache

 

actually, I had no intentions and still have no intention of removing ZZP's employee cars from the 2009 lists. I'm just wanting to make sure that I make everyone happy for the 2010 list.

Does that sound reasonable?

I apologize to everyone for this bullshit. Please just vote and lets get this drama over with. Once the voting is done, a rule is a rule and anyone with a problem can just please keep it to themselves.

 

bump for the top to all to see, we got way more drag racers than what has voted so far.

 

bump, VOTE!!!!

 

damn, i have a shop car according to maven...

 

I'll take a number 1... and some fries, and a coke too!

 

lmao

 

So, here is a scenario to think of. My car was contracted by Performance Autowerks, so they could prototype parts on the car. ALL PARTS that are going on my car WILL BE available to the public. Its a matter of making the first parts so we can produce the further kits. I pay for the parts, I pay for install, I do not pay for the fab work. Thats the deal. NOW, from this, the owner of the company liked my knowledge, and has thus hired me to sell some of his parts. Now, this makes me an employee, with a car that I paid for, that I paid for all the mods, and that I still put plates and insurance on.

The list doesn't matter to me to be honest. I have all intentions of having fun this summer, and the fact I might not make it on a stupid dick measuring list isn't going to stop me. Would I like to be on the list so everyone can see what we put down, and what times we get? Oh hell yeah. But, if I don't make it on the list, I will go start a thread every time I get a personal best, just like 90% of the community does.

Now, Ralli... if it goes through that cars such as mine and ZZP are not allowed on the list, could you make a section of the list that we could be in. Its great advertisement of our product, which in reality is all that keeps us going.

ZZP is a great shop, and they should be recognized for their achievements. As well as Performance Autowerks. We intend to be very quick, just like ZZP. Maybe have a shop throwdown section. Its all in the compromise.

 

I dont know why theres all this "if they get in" "should they be allowed " crap........JUST MAKE CLASSES.........

Stock blower
TVS
Turbo Swap or twin charged
Unlimited mods

Simple, no more butt hurt.

 

can we sub section each said class my size of dick? bc if your dick is real small is a bigger accomplishment to get top 10 than if your dick was real big bc you get to enjoy other sides of life more (girls who like big dicks and not < 3 inch dick.

 

only if you can rephrase that in proper english of some sort.

 

 

Where the hell do you think you are? England? We don't speak English here in America. Why do you think nobody passes English class?





j/k, had to give you ****.

 

 

this is stupid a shop car belongs to the shop.. basicly the owners car that the employees can have fun and tinker with and try to make new parts.

 

Personally, I think this has turned into one big shitstorm. But I'm not in a position to make the call. If option 1 does become the new rule, then I will for sure make a SHOP CAR throwdown just for those guys that are not qualified for this list. This list is truely for just the individual that modifies their car on their own time with a limited budget.

I'm really glad to see that we have so many shop cars on this forum, that helps the community go faster!