I don't see the problem with Maven's class idea. Levels the field for everyone and also allows for people of all budgets to compete against one another.

 

94 oct **** that 91-92 is your basic premium not 94..

 

but then that ruins the point of a throwdown. the throwdown is a competition for the fastest of the fast. if we're gonna have classes i think we only need three. m62 based, anything goes as long as you also have the m62 on there. tvs based, anything goes as long as you have the tvs on there. and then an all out class, do whatever the **** you want, and run it.

 

that's all you needed to say

 

option 1 or 2

 

^x2^

Last I checked 67 out of a possible 45077 members want to change the rules. That's 0.0014863455864409787696608026266167% of this community. That leaves the other 99.998513654413559021230339197373% that could give a **** whether shop employees are on the list or not.

 

Making all of those lists is ridiculous. You have to add in stock motor stock head blah blah blah. The rules last year should be the same as this year. Anything goes in the throw down but no shop cars. The rules last year said no shop cars but there was disagreement with the definition of a shop car. That's what this thread is for. All of the rest of the stuff can just go under the 1/4 mile list.

As sad as this sounds this little throw-down is making me want to race more. Last year I set the time @12.6 in the early spring that stood for a few months. After that I had some issues with the car and personal that didn't allow me to get back to the track when I had real competition. Sadley I could only make it to a street night in October. I went blazing fast @ 118+ on the limiter but because of track conditions being a street night as well as lack of practice I wasn't even able to cut a 60 in the 2.1's. SO I feel this year I can get the real times out of my car and go the fastest in the throw down. That is as long as the ZZP cars aren't in it.

 

Okay......I didnt realize this was the LSJ/LNF setup......I though you were trying to come up with new rules for the 2.0 cars.......

If its supposed to be the best of the best, looking to see whether the fastest car is an LSJ or an LNF then there should only be 3 rules(assuming we want this to be for true street/DD cars):

Car must have LSJ or LNF head and block.

Car must have: full interior(2 bucket seats in front and stock bench in back, all OEM trim panels and console)

Air Conditioning to include belt routing using the compressor, Condenser and all hoses installed

OEM Pioneer subwoofer in place

Power windows

F35 transmission

Minimum 296mm diameter front disc brakes, and minimum 270mm rear disc brakes

Minimum 215 tread width tire on all 4 locations.


Unleaded street legal on highway gasoline or E20 with max octane of 94 R+M/2


If youre not fast enough, well......then youre not fast enough, no special classes for "average Joes" if youre looking for the best of the best.

 

^^ that made me laugh

 

hhwai?

 

K, I got a better idea. How abouts we make a magical 1/4 mile list. You don't even need a fast time for this list. And instead of listing the mods you have on your car, you list all the reasons your butthurt over someones else being faster then you. Be it your limited knowledge, funds or even that your just jealous that your not in a position to work at a shop where you have access to the tools, people and poses the talent to make your car the fastest on the CSS.net list. Then there will be a list for fast cars and a list for unhappy ppl and everyone wins. Yay we all get a gold star.

 

Top 25, anything goes, /endthread

 

cause everyone knows if you're gonna go fast, its the little things that count as well. like massive weight reduction. pulling the belt(if applicable) off the alternator and ac, power windows are too heavy, use fg doors and lexan, unleaded pump gas just ain't gonna cut it, and 215 on all fours won't work if youre running a 27/4.5 tire in the rear....

this however VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV i like.


but instead of the octane limit. just have m62 anything goes as long as an opporating m62 is on the car in factory location. tvs anything goes as long as an opporating tvs is in the factory location. and then a rock out with your **** out anything goes stage it and run it.

 

There isn't only one shop now. I know at least 2 others beyond ZZP that are getting in the LNF market.

 

^^ and you develop for one called WERKS thats why youre saving your ass lol, just callin it like i see it. I think it should just be all out run what you brung, just showing each mod the car has done and make the list bigger so people can get there name on it (which is all anyone wants lol)

 

How am I saving my ass? I couldn't care less about some stinking list. If I am the fastest, everyone will know it. It doesn't matter if my name is on a list, whether its in the regular joe's list, or on a shop list with ZZP, or on no list at all. I am building this car because its fun for me. I am not doing it to prove anything. If I was worried about dicks, I wouldn't be here.

I am spending my money, and my time so we can bring a product to the normal joe. Doesn't that deserve some sort of recognition? If not, then so be it. This is my job, and i love it, and no one, and no list could take that away from me. The feel of the car on the dyno the first time... driving down the track, knowing I MADE THIS BEAST, driving down the street knowing I TUNED THIS BEAST, nothing replaces that. Those feelings are what I am after, and maybe a prize purse at a competition. The last thing I worry about is some list of Cobalts on some website.

Would it be nice to have my name on the list, sure. Its great advertising for our company (and ZZP, and Treadstone, and whoever else joins the game). I think I have presented my point fairly. We have the normal drag times thread, where everybody can get a piece of the action. I think THAT is where shop cars should be banned from. But an outright throwdown between the LNF and the LSJ? Do you think they banned St Pierre from the UFC because he kicks ass? No. Because its an outright display of power and ability.

But, thats my 2 cents. I'm not covering my ass for anything. I know how the normal joe feels, as I was one last year, with only a tune on my LNF, and I believe I STILL finished in the top 10 times in the LNF world. Its not my fault I can drive.

 

whoa dude, i wasnt coming at you so relax. i agree it should be lsj vs. lnf all out, i get it you dont "care" about the list. And i also said nothing about the UFC lol and i also didnt say you couldnt drive. This thread is really touching a nerve with some of you guys

 

Simple question, how is that 'NOT' coming at me? Just curious.

 

in bold is an lol, laugh out loud. usually used in a joking scenario or when you dont want to offend anyone when making a comment directed towards them.

 

this

 

Also used when I want someone to believe that I did not intend to offend them at an utter dig. Either way, I don't care. Just stating my point of view, hence the "just my 2 cents" at the end of my paragraph. Thank you for your time anyway.

 

no thank yooouu

 

Oh, anytime!

 

How come there isn't a 60-100mph list? Damn ricers.

There should be no different list between shop cars and the rest of the cobalts.

 

you are starting to get the idea, but I think you took it a bit too far. LOL. I don't see a problem with a little weight reduction, like taking seats out and stuff. Obviously we don't want to allow any tube chassis cars or anything crazy like that. And I don't see a problem with different gearing or using slicks or drag radials. But I like the ideas you threw out.

Thanks Maxim for pointing out my efforts. I think the 2009 LSJ/LNF Throwdown was a huge success. There was only one problem, and that was what everyone considered to be a shop car. So I made this poll for this year's throwdown. Regardless of all the bitching and whining and complaining, I think this year will be just as big of a success. If Option 1 becomes the set rule, then there will be a SHOP Car list and an Average Joe list.