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09-25-2012, 09:49 AM
#652
Hey Mongorat, While I see that the trans in the buick verano turbo is being built in the us, and has some different gear rations than the current F40, some of the gearing is the same, and the info I do see suggests it is basically a US-built revision of the F40. Do you have more info on this?
09-25-2012, 09:51 AM
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09-25-2012, 10:05 AM
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09-25-2012, 10:18 AM
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09-25-2012, 10:20 AM
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and apparently powell is mad expensive? idk. im about to just sell the damn thing -_____- buy something that is more popular and easy to build up.
09-25-2012, 10:22 AM
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09-25-2012, 12:40 PM
#665
I wonder how you get to "mad expensive" when I have detailed in this threads the costs. What is mad expensive are new gears. Automotive gears are not like run of the mill gears and the tooling is mad expensive. My standard labor rebuild charge is 600 plus parts. It can be less if not a lot is wrong with the transmission; most of the time thats not the case. Transmissions come in because they are "mad broken", not to be refreshed. I think John Sheps rebuild price of labor at 250 quoted here is a steal. I cant do it that cheap.
09-25-2012, 01:18 PM
#668
his car is sitting in the 500-530whp range on the 25ish psi he's running (sometimes spikes 27)
my car at 475whp spun em if I brake boosted immediately from 80mph to @140 before it would hook up and that was on the mickeys semi warm. on full boost there was no hope of traction unless I had the tires aired down.
and they were warm (and only @22-25psi) when I logged his race against my buddies sc/d e85 ls1 corvette, broke em loose in 4th at 140 mph. screen shots are posted on here somewhere.
my car at 475whp spun em if I brake boosted immediately from 80mph to @140 before it would hook up and that was on the mickeys semi warm. on full boost there was no hope of traction unless I had the tires aired down.
and they were warm (and only @22-25psi) when I logged his race against my buddies sc/d e85 ls1 corvette, broke em loose in 4th at 140 mph. screen shots are posted on here somewhere.
09-25-2012, 02:12 PM
#669
I wonder how you get to "mad expensive" when I have detailed in this threads the costs. What is mad expensive are new gears. Automotive gears are not like run of the mill gears and the tooling is mad expensive. My standard labor rebuild charge is 600 plus parts. It can be less if not a lot is wrong with the transmission; most of the time thats not the case. Transmissions come in because they are "mad broken", not to be refreshed. I think John Sheps rebuild price of labor at 250 quoted here is a steal. I cant do it that cheap.
09-25-2012, 06:13 PM
#670
Alright, I'm a bit confused, so I'm just going to throw out what's on my mind here:
-How many ZZP 4.45s have failed so far, and what failed on them? What setup were they running?
-Is Powell doing/offering any solutions for the stock F35s or additions/alternatives to the 4.45s?
If the ones that failed were at power levels beyond my goal, then I/others could possibly still consider ourselves covered by the added security that the 4.45 offers. If common failure modes become apparent, then that would be notable, and possibly avoidable (i.e. side stepping a 6262 with slicks).
-How many ZZP 4.45s have failed so far, and what failed on them? What setup were they running?
-Is Powell doing/offering any solutions for the stock F35s or additions/alternatives to the 4.45s?
If the ones that failed were at power levels beyond my goal, then I/others could possibly still consider ourselves covered by the added security that the 4.45 offers. If common failure modes become apparent, then that would be notable, and possibly avoidable (i.e. side stepping a 6262 with slicks).
Were there any others?... Because one isn't hardly enough for a statistic/trend.
09-25-2012, 06:58 PM
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his car is sitting in the 500-530whp range on the 25ish psi he's running (sometimes spikes 27)
my car at 475whp spun em if I brake boosted immediately from 80mph to @140 before it would hook up and that was on the mickeys semi warm. on full boost there was no hope of traction unless I had the tires aired down.
and they were warm (and only @22-25psi) when I logged his race against my buddies sc/d e85 ls1 corvette, broke em loose in 4th at 140 mph. screen shots are posted on here somewhere.
my car at 475whp spun em if I brake boosted immediately from 80mph to @140 before it would hook up and that was on the mickeys semi warm. on full boost there was no hope of traction unless I had the tires aired down.
and they were warm (and only @22-25psi) when I logged his race against my buddies sc/d e85 ls1 corvette, broke em loose in 4th at 140 mph. screen shots are posted on here somewhere.
09-26-2012, 12:00 AM
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Torque is what's killing transmissions... not horsepower. That's why so many stock turbo LNF's have problems. A tuned LNF making 330whp and a big turbo LSJ making 500whp can destroy a transmission in the same manner... because they both make comparable torque numbers. Even easier with the LNF, as the torque hits hard and early.
So you can argue about horsepower numbers all you want and swing that dick around like it means something.
Second gear is a VERY rare destruction. Has he pulled the trans apart and inspected to see what actually happened? Either way, No... it doesn't need to be included. With the price we're already looking at, there are already very few people that would be interested. Adding another gear set (That's actually two more gear pieces), the price would raise considerably, causing even less people to buy in.
So you can argue about horsepower numbers all you want and swing that dick around like it means something.
All you guys who said back a few pages blah blah blah nobody blows a second gear can take that back. A hhr ss up here in Canada blew 2nd out on the track on a shitty trifecta tune...ie...not much power...on stock clutch...2nd gear needs to be included in this. I will pay money for a trans i can beat on day in and day out at the track...
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09-26-2012, 01:22 AM
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Torque is what's killing transmissions... not horsepower. That's why so many stock turbo LNF's have problems. A tuned LNF making 330whp and a big turbo LSJ making 500whp can destroy a transmission in the same manner... because they both make comparable torque numbers. Even easier with the LNF, as the torque hits hard and early.
So you can argue about horsepower numbers all you want and swing that dick around like it means something.
Second gear is a VERY rare destruction. Has he pulled the trans apart and inspected to see what actually happened? Either way, No... it doesn't need to be included. With the price we're already looking at, there are already very few people that would be interested. Adding another gear set (That's actually two more gear pieces), the price would raise considerably, causing even less people to buy in.
So you can argue about horsepower numbers all you want and swing that dick around like it means something.
Second gear is a VERY rare destruction. Has he pulled the trans apart and inspected to see what actually happened? Either way, No... it doesn't need to be included. With the price we're already looking at, there are already very few people that would be interested. Adding another gear set (That's actually two more gear pieces), the price would raise considerably, causing even less people to buy in.
agreed, its the crazy amount of torque that kills our trannys.........im at 385wtq with just some bolt ons and tune. needless to say i was changing out my transmission 6mths later -___- mine was 5th gear though.
09-26-2012, 02:13 AM
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Torque is what's killing transmissions... not horsepower. That's why so many stock turbo LNF's have problems. A tuned LNF making 330whp and a big turbo LSJ making 500whp can destroy a transmission in the same manner... because they both make comparable torque numbers. Even easier with the LNF, as the torque hits hard and early.