firemanfrank

I think the "certified" cars are supposed to have passed a multi point inspection.

So how'd they miss the clutch then?

I know that you just want to upgrade the clutch anyway, but you shouldn't have to do that until maybe next year ... AFTER the dealer replaces the bad clutch in your car now.

By every single way that I can figure it, they owe you one.

ls1fbody

first gear is super low on this car. if you don't already know the LSJ is based of the 2.0T from the Saab 9-5, so is the tranny i believe. somebody will correct me if im wrong. it was originally designed for the hills of europe, and towing i think.

fmxr47

thx for the help and replys guys, im trying to not start in 2nd so i can save my clutch until they give me a new one

firemanfrank

I don't know.

I'd have to check Saab 9-5 drive train specs to see if the 'Balt uses the same gear ratios in the tranny as they do.

They DEFINITELY owe you something.

Two hours old and your clutch slips = they owe you a clutch

So tell them they've got just 2 options:

Either fix my clutch

or

I'm returning the car and I want my money back

I'm betting they fix your clutch ...

boostaddict

if they give you any **** about it, file a claim with the Better Business Bureau...they'll fix it real quick.

firemanfrank

Here you go fmxr47! Tell the dealer to kindly "Read It And Weep" ...

This is what compromises a GM Certified Used Vehicle:


What Is GM Certified?
http://www.gmcertified.com/certified/whatis/
To even be considered for the GM Certified program, a vehicle must be 2003 or newer, with less than 60,000 miles. GM Certified Used Vehicles are only available through select GM dealers.

* 100,000-Mile/5-Year Powertrain Limited Warranty*
* 3-Month/3,000-Mile† New Vehicle Limited Warranty Extension
* 117-Point Inspection
* Vehicle History Report
* Largest Selection of Certified Used Vehicles
* Like-New Vehicle Financing for Qualified Buyers


So the question is, is testing of the clutch on the 117 point inspection?
YUP! Check out under "Road Test, Item #9"


117 Point Inspection
http://www.gmcertified.com/certified...tion#view_full

ROAD TEST
1. CHECK VEHICLE HISTORY (GM VIS) AND CARFAX (VHR) OR SIMILAR
2. CHECK FOR OPEN SAFETY CAMPAIGNS
3. OWNERS MANUAL/WARRANTY BOOKLET PRESENT
4. SEAT BELTS/RETRACTORS/AIR BAGS (WEAR, OPERATION)
5. MIRRORS (OPERATION, HEAT, INSIDE-OUTSIDE)
6. INDICATOR LIGHTS/GAUGES/WARNING TONES (OPERATION, LIGHTS, CLOCK)
7. ENGINE START/IDLE (COLD, WARM)
8. ENGINE OPERATION/PERFORMANCE/ACCELERATION (AT NORMAL TEMP.)
9. SHIFTING/AUTOMATIC/MANUAL (TRANSMISSION, CLUTCH)
10. ANTI-SKID/TRACTION CONTROL (OPERATION)
11. BRAKING/ANTI-LOCK BRAKING SYSTEM (STRAIGHT STOP/ANTI-LOCK OPERATION IF EQUIPPED)
12. STEERING/ALIGNMENT (EASE, NOISE, STEERING WHEEL CENTERED, ALIGNMENT)
13. BODY/CHASSIS INTEGRITY (NOISE/VIBRATION/HARSHNESS)
14. TRANSFER CASE (OPERATION, F/RWD, 4W, AWD)
15. CRUISE CONTROL (HOLD, ACCELERATION, CANCEL)
16. WINDSHIELD WIPERS/WASHERS (OPERATION/BLADES WIPE CLEAN W/O STREAKS)
17. SPEEDOMETER/ODOMETER (OPERATIONAL)
18. TILT-WHEEL/TELESCOPING (OPERATION)
19. HEATER/AIR CONDITIONING (BLOWER, CONTROLS)
20. HORN (OPERATION, FUNCTION)
21. CONFIRM AUTO STOP & AUTO RESTART (HYBRID ONLY)

FUNCTIONAL
22. ONSTAR (OPERATIONAL)
23. KEY(S)/KEY FOB/REMOTE START (FUNCTIONAL)
24. REAR DEFOGGER (OPERATION)
25. LUGGAGE COMPARTMENT (SPARE, AIR PRESSURE, TOOLS)
26. CONVERTIBLE TOP/BOOT COVER (OPERATION, CONDITION)
27. INTERIOR LIGHTS (MAP LIGHTS/DASH LIGHTS)
28. EXTERIOR LIGHTS/FOG LAMPS (HEADLIGHTS, DRLS, BRAKE AND HIGH MOUNT)
29. DOORS/DOOR LOCKS (POWER LOCK OPERATION)
30. WEATHER STRIPPING (CONDITION)
31. SEATS/CHILD SAFETY SEATS & MOUNTINGS (OPERATION, HEAT)
32. FUEL DOOR/TRUNK/HOOD/HATCH RELEASE (OPERATION)
33. WINDOWS/POWER/SWING-OUT (OPERATION, ALL SWITCHES-FULL TRAVEL)
34. ALARM/TELEPHONE (OPERATION, REMOTE)
35. POWER OUTLET(S)/CIGARETTE LIGHTER (OPERATION, LIGHTER)
36. PARKING BRAKE (OPERATION)
37. SUN/MOON ROOF (OPERATION, CONDITION, NO LEAKS)
38. OPTIONS/ACCESSORIES/OFF-ROAD/ROOF MARKER LAMPS (OPERATION)
39. AUDIO SYSTEM/XM RADIO (OPERATION, RADIO, TAPE, CD, SPEAKERS, ANTENNA)
40. NAVIGATION SYSTEM OPERATION AND DVD PRESENT (OPERATION)

UNDER HOOD
41. VISUAL (LOOSE/MISSING COMPONENTS, LEAKS, LABELS, DECALS)
42. ELECTRICAL SYSTEM/BATTERY/STARTER (BATTERY, CABLES, BELTS, CHARGE)
43. ENGINE COOLING/RADIATOR/FAN/FAN CLUTCH (LEVEL, HOSES, CONDITION)
44. POWER STEERING SYSTEM (LEVEL, PUMP, LINES)
45. BRAKE SYSTEM (FLUID LEVEL, MASTER CYLINDER, LINES)

46. IGNITION SYSTEM (WIRES, CONDITION, ROUTING)
47. FUEL SYSTEM (LINES, LEAKS, CONNECTION)
48. VACUUM SYSTEM (HOSES, CONDITION)
49. A/C COMPRESSOR/DRIVE BELT (OPERATION, CONDITION)
50. BELTS/SERPENTINE (TENSION, WEAR)

UNDER VEHICLE
51. VISUAL (BODY, LOWER BODY, UNDERBODY)
52. FRAME (NO SIGNS OF PREVIOUS REPAIR/DAMAGE)
53. EXHAUST SYSTEM (PIPES, CONVERTER, MUFFLER, SHIELDING)
54. BRAKE PADS, SHOES (CONDITION, LINING)
55. CALIPERS, ROTORS, DRUMS (CONDITION)
56. BRAKE HYDRAULICS (LEVEL, LINES, HOSES)
57. TIRES (TREAD DEPTH, TYPE, SIZE, MATCHING BRAND, NO PLUGS, PSI)
58. WHEELS/LUG NUT TORQUE/TIRE PSI (OEM, MATCHING BRAND/TYPE)
59. SHOCK ABSORBERS/STRUTS (OPERATION, LEAKS, ETC.)

60. SPRINGS/SWAY BARS/TOW HOOK (MOUNT, BUSHINGS, TORQUE TO SPECS, ETC.)
61. CONTROL ARMS (CONDITION, MOUNT, BUSHINGS)
62. STEERING/LINKAGE (TIE ROD/ENDS, LINKAGE)
63. ENGINE/TRANSMISSION/TRANSFER CASE & MOUNTING (LEAKS)
64. CLUTCH (ADJUST FLUID LEVEL)
65. DRIVELINE/DRIVESHAFT/AXLES/UNIVERSAL JOINTS (CONDITION, OPERATION)
66. AXLES/DIFFERENTIALS/AIR SUSPENSION AND COMPRESSOR (LEAKS, CV JOINTS)
67. GEAR/RACK & PINION (LEAKS, MOUNTING)
68. PARKING BRAKE CABLE (CONDITION, OPERATION, FRAYING)

EXTERIOR
69. UNDER HOOD (FINISH, INSULATION, DECALS)
70. FRONT BUMPER (FASCIA, GUARDS, FINISH)
71. GRILLE (HEADLIGHTS, OTHER LIGHTS, EMBLEMS)
72. HOOD (EMBLEMS, FINISH, CHIPS, TRIM, ALIGNMENT)
73. LEFT FRONT FENDER (FINISH, TRIM)
74. LEFT FRONT DOOR (FINISH, TRIM, ALIGNMENT, EASE OF MOVEMENT)
75. LEFT REAR DOOR (FINISH, TRIM, ALIGNMENT, EASE OF MOVEMENT)
76. LEFT REAR FENDER (FINISH, TRIM)

77. TRUNK LID/TRUCK BED/BEDLINER (FINISH, TRIM)
78. REAR BUMPER (FASCIA, GUARDS, FINISH)
79. RIGHT REAR FENDER (FINISH, TRIM)
80. RIGHT REAR DOOR (FINISH, TRIM, ALIGNMENT, EASE OF MOVEMENT)
81. RIGHT FRONT DOOR (FINISH, TRIM, ALIGNMENT, EASE OF MOVEMENT)
82. RIGHT FRONT FENDER (FINISH, TRIM)
83. ROOF (FINISH, TRIM)
84. GLASS (CRACKS, CHIPS, SCRATCHES, PITTING)
85. WHEELS/WHEELCOVERS/TRIM RINGS/CENTER CAPS (SCRATCHES, PITTING)

INTERIOR
86. INSTRUMENT PANEL/COMPASS (CONDITION, CONTROLS)
87. CLOCK/TIMER (CHECK, RESET)
88. DRIVER/PASSENGER SEATS/HEAD RESTS (CUSHIONS, TRIM, SAFETY BELT OPERATION)
89. REAR SEAT/HEAD RESTS (CUSHIONS, TRIM, CONDITION, OPERATION, SAFETY BELT OPERATION)
90. HEATED/COOLED SEAT (OPERATION)
91. DRIVER DOOR (CONTROLS, TRIM, CONDITION)
92. FRONT PASSENGER DOOR (CUSHIONS, TRIM, CONDITION)

93. FRONT CARPET & FLOOR MATS (PRESENCE, CONDITION, WEAR)
94. CONSOLE/COMPARTMENT LID FRONT & REAR (OPERATION, CONDITION)
95. LEFT REAR DOOR/QUARTER TRIM (CONTROLS, TRIM, CONDITION)
96. RIGHT REAR DOOR/QUARTER TRIM (CONTROLS, TRIM, CONDITION)
97. REAR CARPET & MATS (PRESENCE, CONDITION, WEAR)
98. HEADLINER/OVERHEAD CONSOLE/VISORS (CONDITION, OPERATION)
99. LUGGAGE COMPARTMENT/CARGO AREA/SPARE TIRE (TRIM, JACK, LIGHT TOOLS,CARGO NET/SHADE)
100. PACKAGE TRAY (CONDITION)

MAINTAINANCE
101. LUBE, CHANGE OIL AND FILTER REQUIRED
102. INSPECT/CLEAN AIR FILTER/ CABIN FILTER
103. INSPECT/CHANGE ALL OTHER FILTERS (PER MANUFACTURER'S SCHEDULE )

104. INSPECT/TOP-OFF FLUIDS (COOL, BRAKE, STEERING, TRANS., DIFF., WASHER)
105. EMISSION/DIAGNOSTIC TROUBLE CODES (MEET STATE AND LOCAL STDS.)
106. FUEL LEVEL (RECOMMEND FULL TANK)

INTERIOR DETAILING
107. CLEAN INSTRUMENT PANEL/COVER PAD SURFACE/ASHTRAYS/PACKAGE SHELF
108. VACUUM AND CLEAN CARPET/TRUNK/PASSENGER COMPARTMENT/CARGO AREA

109. CLEAN GLASS SURFACES
110. CLEAN HEADLINER/SEATS/INTERIOR CLOTH TRIM

EXTERIOR DETAILING
111. CLEAN ENGINE/COMPARTMENT
112. RECONDITION/TOUCH-UP MINOR SURFACE SCRATCHES

113. REMOVE TAR AND ROAD OIL
114. WASH/WAX (BODY, WHEELS/COVERS, TIRES)

HYBRID VEHICLES
115. HYBRID BATTERY (INSPECT AIR INTAKE)
116. BATTERY ENERGY CONTROL MODULE (CHECK USING SCAN TOOL)
117. STARTER/GENERATOR CONTROL MODULE (CHECK FOR CODES AND SOFTWARE UPDATES)


Go get 'em fmxr47!

aveoturbo

print that **** off and head to the dealer.^^

steddy2112

iTrader: (1)

ASAP

fmxr47

thx for the info, i sent an email to my mom to print it off and take it to the dealer and shove it in their face, and say fix it bitch!

steddy2112

iTrader: (1)

And why can't you do it?

fmxr47

i live at my dads house during the summer so my mom lives less than a mile away from dealership, plus if i went up there i would probably kill someone if they didnt do it!

im a happy person, i swear!

firemanfrank

As well you should.

It is my understanding that dealers charge a bit MORE for certified vehicles as opposed to "non" certified vehicles (because of the 117 Point Check).

So quite literally then, they owe it to you because of the extra $$ that you paid for that certification.

Good Luck!

fmxr47

thanks to all of you who have replied and helped, its appreciated

firemanfrank

Just keep us informed as to what's happening!

fmxr47

sure thing, may be sometime next week before i can take my car to the dealer but will be on the phone with them on monday

i just went out for a 15 minute drive and it was great i love the acceleration and if im easy between 1st and 2nd i can usually punch it hard once im in 2nd

firemanfrank

If they do fix it (which they better!) expect them to have your car in the shop for a while.

I bought my car new, and at 5k the clutch was slipping (like yours, it was ok when it was IN any gear, but slipped when CHANGING gears at moderate acceleration).

The dealer ok'd the fix, but they had my car for about a week (partly because they had to order some stuff, partly because it is not a quick and simple job).

They installed a new flywheel, clutch disc, pressure plate, and slave cylinder (which they said was leaking).

So push (but don't shove ... if you know what I mean) to have them fix this. From what I've read here on this forum, a clutch replacement is normally a $1,500-$1,800 job on our cars.

And you should NOT have to pay for that!

firemanfrank

Been to the dealer? Any word yet on your clutch?

fmxr47

well, im dropping the car off tonight or tomorrow morning and they are oing to "diagnose the problem" and they say that the clutch is not covered under warranty cause it is a warn item, but my mom found out that it may be covered up to 36000 miles, i have 33000 so hopefully they will do it for free, or ust he deductible, and if not im gonna get like a stage 1 exedy or something, not sure though

firemanfrank

You just bought the car from them, right?

So that means this doesn't involve any type of regular warranty.

They missed the slipping clutch on the Certified Points inspection, so they owe you a new clutch.

aveoturbo

dont let them bitch you around. if you come back on here and tell is they wont cover it after they feed you a line of bull, well, you better have a flame suit nearby...

nhanson

iTrader: (1)

they missed it so they have to fix it!!!!!!!!

06blackg85ss

iTrader: (1)

I don't know if it's the dealers complete fault here.
#1 how old are you
#2 have you ever driven stick before
#3 why are you starting in 2nd
#4 slipping of the stock clutch (by user) is not good since it glazes quickly
#5 and I hope you weren't wheel hoppin the **** out of it

firemanfrank

But he said he had gotten it from the dealer that way, AFTER they had supposedly passed the car on the GM Certified Vehicle inspection (which is supposed to check for a slipping clutch).

06blackg85ss

iTrader: (1)

what I'm describing will cause it to do that real fast.... even with a new clutch

firemanfrank

Hmmm.

I'm thinking that the dealer didn't test the clutch, or they're lying.

That's my bet ...