Weak Axles?
Seriously what are you trying to prove, what hasnt already been proven? Wheel hop causes broken axles along with cracked tranny cases. Solid mounts help eliminate wheel hop, anyone who has them know this.
Also if you want to bash a vendor to start a business (sell your parts) atleast become a supporting vendor.
We all read the GM hand book, about rotating the engine and for 99.9% of the members on here what you are doing is not feasable. Yes there are a few, but for the most part, we have been down your path and there is only 1-3 interested. We would have done it already.
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Gee i am constantly surprised that you missed my many posts on this subject lol! The axle shafts run a 17 degree angle stock at ride height. The car was not designed with the M35 in mind; GM didnt worry about it. Rotate the motor like the GM build book says, and you move the trans output shafts back which brings them into line with the outer axle hub centerline.
I have built some mounts to do that for racing, but they vibrate too much for the street like AWFUL! . Recently I built some that dont vibrate, retaining the rear mount and changing only the front mount, and 99% wheel hop is gone, I find just a trace of wheel hop on street tires sometimes (not always) in the rain, (thats testing, as wheel spin in the rain is just a jerk-off) and none on race tires.
I have sent a set to Shabodah on the other forum so when he installs them and declares them ok maybe i can send you a set (for not much money) and then you can copy them (lol) the front mount uses a FLCA bushing out of an SS and that bushing is not sold seperately, but I have lot of them as we dont use this bushing for racing, in fact on the street i use a spherical joint in that FLCA position. Hope this helps.
Aaron you are digging a deeper hole....
I have built some mounts to do that for racing, but they vibrate too much for the street like AWFUL! . Recently I built some that dont vibrate, retaining the rear mount and changing only the front mount, and 99% wheel hop is gone, I find just a trace of wheel hop on street tires sometimes (not always) in the rain, (thats testing, as wheel spin in the rain is just a jerk-off) and none on race tires.
I have sent a set to Shabodah on the other forum so when he installs them and declares them ok maybe i can send you a set (for not much money) and then you can copy them (lol) the front mount uses a FLCA bushing out of an SS and that bushing is not sold seperately, but I have lot of them as we dont use this bushing for racing, in fact on the street i use a spherical joint in that FLCA position. Hope this helps.
Aaron you are digging a deeper hole....
also, only changing the front mount is a very bad idea. because now, when the engine tries to move, all of the pressure is put on that weak stock mount. so you're probably causing more harm than good in the long run.
Thank you! Point proven.
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you're welcome.
not to mention, after the install the car now shifts much smoother, and feels all around better to drive. no more sloppy shifts, no more car feeling like it's going to fall apart when ripping through the gears, and it has more of a "mean" feel. first thing i noticed after the install was how much easier and smoother it was to shift. i think this is a point that's often left out when talking about mounts/bushings.
not to mention, after the install the car now shifts much smoother, and feels all around better to drive. no more sloppy shifts, no more car feeling like it's going to fall apart when ripping through the gears, and it has more of a "mean" feel. first thing i noticed after the install was how much easier and smoother it was to shift. i think this is a point that's often left out when talking about mounts/bushings.
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what mounts would eliminate the sloppy shift feel? I dont want my car to be a vibrating nightmare, and i hate road noise with a passion to the point im damplifying my whole car.
im not getting ingals or top mount engine dampener.
im not getting ingals or top mount engine dampener.
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I heard that the polyeurethane mounts will crack and break over time. Is there preventitive maitenence to do keep them in working order? or do i just buy mounts every 6 months? Just curious.
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i've had mine for well over a year on my 2.0, and there is zero cracking or anything negative. the vibrations get better over time, and you get used to them. i don't feel them at all anymore. majority of people will agree that the vibrations you get are very far outweighed by the benefit of the mounts. most people that complain about them don't give them enough time to "break in". after a few hundred miles, the vibrations get less and less.
the ONLY time i feel vibrations, is very, very low in the rpm range. normal driving i dont' feel them one bit. but giong over a speedbump, and slowing down to maybe 5mph in 2nd, when you hit the gas you'll feel them a little bit. but normal driving, or even hard driving, and they really aren't noticeable. and for the small amount of vibes you get, when you shift and your engine no longer feels like it wants to jump out of the car, it's beyond worth it.
moral of the story is, for the price, they are an absolute steal. if i knew how well they worked, i would have happily paid double, and would still give good reviews on them.
the ONLY time i feel vibrations, is very, very low in the rpm range. normal driving i dont' feel them one bit. but giong over a speedbump, and slowing down to maybe 5mph in 2nd, when you hit the gas you'll feel them a little bit. but normal driving, or even hard driving, and they really aren't noticeable. and for the small amount of vibes you get, when you shift and your engine no longer feels like it wants to jump out of the car, it's beyond worth it.
moral of the story is, for the price, they are an absolute steal. if i knew how well they worked, i would have happily paid double, and would still give good reviews on them.
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i had just the tranny mounts for a while, and believe it or not when i put my ingalls on the stiffest setting, there was actually LESS vibrations.
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well after getting fed up with the vibs i bought the upper mount from ttr and it evened up the vibrations
I recommend doing both cause with just one the vibrations are worst then it would be with both
Plus as stated vibs are LESS when you have all of them, compared to just the tranny and the stock mount (balances it out=less vibs).
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gah guess ill have to figure out how to minimize vibes in the cabin. foam on the floorboard perhaps?
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It is VERY hard on your stock upper engine mount to just to the tranny bushings. The Solid upper mount is much stronger, you run a risk of breaking the stock upper mount when you do just the tranny bushings
Plus as stated vibs are LESS when you have all of them, compared to just the tranny and the stock mount (balances it out=less vibs).
Plus as stated vibs are LESS when you have all of them, compared to just the tranny and the stock mount (balances it out=less vibs).
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Also, once you exceed certain power levels, the hop will come right back from the axles being stressed too much. I think its time we hound one of the chevy dealers that are a vendor here (crate engine depot would be one) and see if we could get LNF axles sourced to us.
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My OPTIONS are. We have a cheap econobox with a sporty look. Ive been doing alot of interior mods to my dash, floorboard etc like velour covered dash, isotta shifter knob, isotta ebrake, damplified doors, firewall, floorboard etc and im looking at making it unnoticeable.
I dont care about the money at all.
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I have solid mounts from TTR, and it only took about 1 tank of gas (~200 miles) before the vibes became unnoticeable during cruising. You'll notice them in low RPMs and when you're engine's under load, but it's nowhere near unbearable.
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I always wondered if an insert for the bottom mount would fit into the top tranny mount. I don't know of anyone that makes a top tranny mount.
Also, once you exceed certain power levels, the hop will come right back from the axles being stressed too much. I think its time we hound one of the chevy dealers that are a vendor here (crate engine depot would be one) and see if we could get LNF axles sourced to us.
Also, once you exceed certain power levels, the hop will come right back from the axles being stressed too much. I think its time we hound one of the chevy dealers that are a vendor here (crate engine depot would be one) and see if we could get LNF axles sourced to us.
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I always wondered if an insert for the bottom mount would fit into the top tranny mount. I don't know of anyone that makes a top tranny mount.
Also, once you exceed certain power levels, the hop will come right back from the axles being stressed too much. I think its time we hound one of the chevy dealers that are a vendor here (crate engine depot would be one) and see if we could get LNF axles sourced to us.
Also, once you exceed certain power levels, the hop will come right back from the axles being stressed too much. I think its time we hound one of the chevy dealers that are a vendor here (crate engine depot would be one) and see if we could get LNF axles sourced to us.
by top mount, do you mean the one under the fuse box? i think almost no one knows that there is a mount there. i've gotten called an idiot plenty of times for telling people about the mount there.
but yea, i agree, at a certain piont you will get hop again. but for majority of the members here they are a great solution.
off topic, you going to the gto meet in august again?
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by top mount i meant the engine mount. not the top tranny mount. sorry for the confusion.
by top mount, do you mean the one under the fuse box? i think almost no one knows that there is a mount there. i've gotten called an idiot plenty of times for telling people about the mount there.
but yea, i agree, at a certain piont you will get hop again. but for majority of the members here they are a great solution.
off topic, you going to the gto meet in august again?
by top mount, do you mean the one under the fuse box? i think almost no one knows that there is a mount there. i've gotten called an idiot plenty of times for telling people about the mount there.
but yea, i agree, at a certain piont you will get hop again. but for majority of the members here they are a great solution.
off topic, you going to the gto meet in august again?