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10-19-2006, 11:32 PM
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now lets take two round subs one 18 and two 12s because your trying to say that
[qoute]Besides, you would still be moving more mass with just one 18" round sub than two 12" round subs, and that's how you obtain higher SPL.[/qoute]
For this i will take a Memphis lvs18x3 18" sub which cost 1800 with an rms of 1000 and has a 15 in diameter will displace 176.7 in(squared) and has a max excursion of .61in will only displace 107.8in (cubed).
[qoute]Besides, you would still be moving more mass with just one 18" round sub than two 12" round subs, and that's how you obtain higher SPL.[/qoute]
For this i will take a Memphis lvs18x3 18" sub which cost 1800 with an rms of 1000 and has a 15 in diameter will displace 176.7 in(squared) and has a max excursion of .61in will only displace 107.8in (cubed).
10-19-2006, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by diablo2007
i was wanting to see if there is anyone on this site that is as big as i am on there system so tell me what you got with pics.
Ill start ive got a jensen in dash dvd, refrences in all 4 corners, rockford 4 channel amp 900 watts i think, a ma audio 4400 watt rms amp and a kicker 18 inch sub in the trunk ill post pics for some of you unbelievers
Ill start ive got a jensen in dash dvd, refrences in all 4 corners, rockford 4 channel amp 900 watts i think, a ma audio 4400 watt rms amp and a kicker 18 inch sub in the trunk ill post pics for some of you unbelievers
10-19-2006, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mesatrin
This is correct. 18x18 is the surface area of a square, while (Pi x R^2) or 6x6x3.14 is the surface area of a circle...but it should really be 6.5 because the w7 is a 13" sub not a 12. That brings the surface area of the 13's to 265.464355 a little more than the single 18.
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=1 <8
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=5 <10
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=9 <12
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_s...p?series_id=10 <13
There are the links for each one of those subs
10-19-2006, 11:52 PM
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okay baller im going to mention you since you seem to talk the most **** whats your problem are you just jealous cause you would never be able to do this to your car or what grow up this thread was not made saying that this is the "coolest system" or the baddest i was just saying that its damn loud and then wanting to see some of your guys systems
10-19-2006, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rickyw
Now one kicker 18 in sub which cost 1600 roughly with 5000wrms has a diameter of 16.77 will put out 48in(cubed) of volume displacement, with max excersion being .22 in and a impressive surface diameter of 221inchs sqaured(because its not a circle its a square). Also the response is a little low becuase of the huge amount of surface space.
Now a 2 jl w6v2 12s will cost you 1000 roughly 800 rms with a diameter of 9.95 per sub will put out 101 in(cubed) of volume displacement with a max excersion of .65 and a surface diameter of 155.6 inchs squared. Now lets take one sub and find out the surface area of that shall we? Thats 77.8in now because you have a lower surface area your going to have a faster response. times that by two and you will get more space being moved at a faster rate then that 18in SQUARE sub will do.
This is a comparison mainly for the VOLUME DISPLACEMENT.
Now back for to the fun My sub
will put out
6000rms
has a diameter of 18ins
surface area of 254.5 inchs squared
xmax of 2.4 in and will displace 610.7 inchs (cubed)
Now a 2 jl w6v2 12s will cost you 1000 roughly 800 rms with a diameter of 9.95 per sub will put out 101 in(cubed) of volume displacement with a max excersion of .65 and a surface diameter of 155.6 inchs squared. Now lets take one sub and find out the surface area of that shall we? Thats 77.8in now because you have a lower surface area your going to have a faster response. times that by two and you will get more space being moved at a faster rate then that 18in SQUARE sub will do.
This is a comparison mainly for the VOLUME DISPLACEMENT.
Now back for to the fun My sub
will put out
6000rms
has a diameter of 18ins
surface area of 254.5 inchs squared
xmax of 2.4 in and will displace 610.7 inchs (cubed)
If, in fact, the 18" square sub has a surface area of 16.77" (as you say it does), then 16.77" x 16.77" = 281.2329 square inches, not 221.
Then multiplying that by the 3rd dimension (.22) would equal 61.871238 cubic inches.
But, according to the Kicker website, that particular sub has an Xmax of 24.88 mm, which equals .9622" and would put the volume at 269.983584 cubic inches.
I'm not even going to try to correct the rest because it doesn't matter. This response time you speak so highly of is meaningless when it comes to SPL. In order for a speaker to produce a 60 Hz frequency, it has to move 60 times, for and aft, per second. It doesn't matter if it's an 8" speaker or a 22" speaker. It still has to move that fast. The wattage is what determines how far the speaker moves, for and aft, and increases the intensity of the sound (aka SPL). Max excursion is how far the speaker will move before reaching its mechanical limits. It has nothing to do with "response time". It only limits how much said woofer can move before it tries to jump out of its own basket. If you'd like to improve the "response time" of any sub, put it in a smaller box. That alone will raise the Q of the speaker.
The fact is that this particular 18" sub (whether round or square) will displace more air than two JL Audio 12" subs that you're referring to, which I believe is what you had originally stated was not true.
10-20-2006, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by aj_92rs
WOW. Your calculations are way off.
If, in fact, the 18" square sub has a surface area of 16.77" (as you say it does), then 16.77" x 16.77" = 281.2329 square inches, not 221.
Then multiplying that by the 3rd dimension (.22) would equal 61.871238 cubic inches.
But, according to the Kicker website, that particular sub has an Xmax of 24.88 mm, which equals .9622" and would put the volume at 269.983584 cubic inches.
I'm not even going to try to correct the rest because it doesn't matter. This response time you speak so highly of is meaningless when it comes to SPL. In order for a speaker to produce a 60 Hz frequency, it has to move 60 times, for and aft, per second. It doesn't matter if it's an 8" speaker or a 22" speaker. It still has to move that fast. The wattage is what determines how far the speaker moves, for and aft, and increases the intensity of the sound (aka SPL). Max excursion is how far the speaker will move before reaching its mechanical limits. It has nothing to do with "response time". It only limits how much said woofer can move before it tries to jump out of its own basket. If you'd like to improve the "response time" of any sub, put it in a smaller box. That alone will raise the Q of the speaker.
The fact is that this particular 18" sub (whether round or square) will displace more air than two JL Audio 12" subs that you're referring to, which I believe is what you had originally stated was not true.
If, in fact, the 18" square sub has a surface area of 16.77" (as you say it does), then 16.77" x 16.77" = 281.2329 square inches, not 221.
Then multiplying that by the 3rd dimension (.22) would equal 61.871238 cubic inches.
But, according to the Kicker website, that particular sub has an Xmax of 24.88 mm, which equals .9622" and would put the volume at 269.983584 cubic inches.
I'm not even going to try to correct the rest because it doesn't matter. This response time you speak so highly of is meaningless when it comes to SPL. In order for a speaker to produce a 60 Hz frequency, it has to move 60 times, for and aft, per second. It doesn't matter if it's an 8" speaker or a 22" speaker. It still has to move that fast. The wattage is what determines how far the speaker moves, for and aft, and increases the intensity of the sound (aka SPL). Max excursion is how far the speaker will move before reaching its mechanical limits. It has nothing to do with "response time". It only limits how much said woofer can move before it tries to jump out of its own basket. If you'd like to improve the "response time" of any sub, put it in a smaller box. That alone will raise the Q of the speaker.
The fact is that this particular 18" sub (whether round or square) will displace more air than two JL Audio 12" subs that you're referring to, which I believe is what you had originally stated was not true.
http://www.mtx.com/Flash2/volume_displacement.cfm
you have to use the right hand side because the left is for mtx only
10-20-2006, 12:07 AM
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im going to get tired of posting in this thread so im out. im not going to beat a dead horse anymore. If you want to correct me your going to have to correct that site first. Not that i need the site anyways i can just go measure the subs and crap.
10-20-2006, 12:10 AM
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in my unprofessional opinion the only thing i see wrong with his 18 is the box seems way undersized. i bet it knocks like nobody's business though! i've had 18's before and i prefer my 12's but hey to each their own and the solobarics kick ass!! my only suggestion would be to move the amp to the back of the box and to check to make sure it's the right size. for that sub if you have a sealed box the size should be...
6 cu.ft., Fb= 51.3Hz
F3= 24.6Hz, Pmax= 2800W
if it's a vented box it should be...
5 cu.ft. Port: 60sq.in. x 14.5”
Fb= 35Hz, Pmax= 5000W
( with 25hZ subsonic filter)
if the box is not the right size it will result in a shortened life span for the woofer.
6 cu.ft., Fb= 51.3Hz
F3= 24.6Hz, Pmax= 2800W
if it's a vented box it should be...
5 cu.ft. Port: 60sq.in. x 14.5”
Fb= 35Hz, Pmax= 5000W
( with 25hZ subsonic filter)
if the box is not the right size it will result in a shortened life span for the woofer.
10-20-2006, 01:58 AM
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http://candidportraits.zoto.com/img/...043e41bd2-.jpg
ill take some better pics this was at 4 am. the rockford is the 800.4 the sub is being pushed by right around 4400 watt rms. the box was put in by building the sides then fiberglassing the trunk to the box then on goes the top with the sub
ill take some better pics this was at 4 am. the rockford is the 800.4 the sub is being pushed by right around 4400 watt rms. the box was put in by building the sides then fiberglassing the trunk to the box then on goes the top with the sub
10-20-2006, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rickyw
I thought i put in w6 if i didnt im sorry To clarify if i made amistake all my stuff is based on the jl audio w6v2d4. on a side note the w7 is made in a 8" 10" 12" and 13"
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=1 <8
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=5 <10
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=9 <12
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_s...p?series_id=10 <13
There are the links for each one of those subs
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=1 <8
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=5 <10
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=9 <12
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_s...p?series_id=10 <13
There are the links for each one of those subs
Ahh I was mistaken. It is the 15 that they don't make in the w7. I knew that there was a normal size that they didn't make and they made a 13 in its place. I don't look much at JL. I don't really like their subs, and I think they are over priced and over rated. The JL amps are very nice though.
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I am not trying to argue with people here I am just trying to back up the original poster since every one else seemed to jump him right when the thread was made. I know there are a ton of members of this forum but there is no need to chace new people with pitch forks and torches calling them a liar because they want to show off something they are proud of.
10-20-2006, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by diablo2007
okay baller im going to mention you since you seem to talk the most **** whats your problem are you just jealous cause you would never be able to do this to your car or what grow up this thread was not made saying that this is the "coolest system" or the baddest i was just saying that its damn loud and then wanting to see some of your guys systems
10-20-2006, 07:18 PM
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ya its very unnessary its way to loud for me and i like it loud so i might put my w712's back in and for any of you that know stereos should i put a port in it and what will that do will it make it more crisp?
10-20-2006, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by diablo2007
ya its very unnessary its way to loud for me and i like it loud so i might put my w712's back in and for any of you that know stereos should i put a port in it and what will that do will it make it more crisp?
10-20-2006, 09:48 PM
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I'll stick with my stock system, no need for flashy 18" subs when less would be more for quality.
Edited for flaming.
Edited for flaming.
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10-21-2006, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rallyyellow06
I'll stick with my stock system, no need to add unneeded weight for a ridiculously gay looking 18" beast that probly sounds like ass. Not to mention looks like ****. Just because you can put in an 18" sub means you should, plus your system really isnt that big. You have no *****. Thank you and Good Day with your god awful sub.
10-21-2006, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by rallyyellow06
I give my opinion, thus the FORUM CONCEPT. And seriously, do you really need an 18" sub? Its fast and the furious style now, all show.
10-21-2006, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rallyyellow06
I'll stick with my stock system, no need to add unneeded weight for a ridiculously gay looking 18" beast that probly sounds like ass. Not to mention looks like ****. Just because you can put in an 18" sub means you should, plus your system really isnt that big. You have no *****. Thank you and Good Day with your god awful sub.
Rallyyellow,
A warning from me. Please don’t try to start flame wars. If you want to state your opinion, please do it respectfully. The comment posted above is in very poor taste and such posts will not be tolerated.
10-21-2006, 12:36 AM
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well thats your opinion now isn't it you queer, and it is pretty big seeing how im only 17 i payed for it i installed it so im proud of it so...F**K YOU and have a nice day
10-21-2006, 12:44 AM
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diablo chill bro...you don't wanna get banned. not everyone can appriciate what people buy with their hard earned cash. i realize he's bashing you but if you read other threads everyone that posts get bashed hardcore by atleast a few. i know it sucks but just realize he's gonna be a dick all his life! if ya get pissed at him just go out and crank the radio...always made me feel better!
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JonyyB sorry, i'll edit my post. I'm not FLAMING though, i'm simply expressing my opinion on his setup that hes bragging about. I'm also not the only one in the thread that was "flaming"
One 18" will not give you great sound quality and is more of flashy show. You would be much better suited with 2 twelves as stated previously. Sorry for any FLAMING.
One 18" will not give you great sound quality and is more of flashy show. You would be much better suited with 2 twelves as stated previously. Sorry for any FLAMING.
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Originally Posted by diablo2007
well thats your opinion now isn't it you queer, and it is pretty big seeing how im only 17 i payed for it i installed it so im proud of it so...F**K YOU and have a nice day
I know you are trying to defend yourself, but don’t cross the line in doing so. Take it to PM’s if you 2 have issues. Plus, he apologized for his post, so it’s only appropriate you apologize as well. Keep the forums clean!