and what is up with ur nozzles only having 2 threads past the damn nut, common if we gotta tap and install this on plastic or metal 3-4 threads please.
this is my only bitch/gripe/complaint about ur product, other than that it's a nice meth kit.

 

^needed a nozzle from my ais kit..

 

You are notorious for posting BS. I try my best to igore it because I truly do not want a pissing contest with you. I have felt for quite a while that we have no need to fight with each other. I would be more than willing to ignore you guys for ever but you always have to say half truths and even outright lies.

I want to make something perfectly clear. I mean 100% clear. Our pump is 100% methanol compatible. You are either lying or mis-informed. Here is our O-RING. Its EPDM, not Viton.



Our original black pump had viton seal. all of our black pump AFTER Jan of 2007 are fully EPDM. Some after 9/2006 are EPDM. All prior to 9/2006 have Viton seals. You took an older pump that we have not sold in over 18 months and are using it to imply thats our current pump. I dont appreciate the dis-honesty. I would hope in good faith that you did not know the difference and correct this incorrect and potentially damaging statement from this thread and your website. Now that you are aware of the difference, you are obligated to do so. If you do not, I will take further action.

I think its funny how you sold your brass nozzles for 3 years and now tell everyone that brass is Bad. Since you feel this way, will give everyone who bought your kit/nozzles over the last 3 years a free upgrade to your new ones? on more than one occasion with your old nozzles you suggested to run methanol with it. Infact, you DOMAIN name is Alcohol-Injection and yet you had brass nozzles.


Brass is 100% compatible with Methanol. Im amazed that you continue to imply otherwise.

You did NOT call shurflo to verify. We have no "datasheet". The old datasheet that you posted over 2 years ago (btw, that REALLY pissed shurflo off) was the old black pump. there is no datasheet on our new pump.

Your just completely mis-infomed. Like a company like us (that has been in business longer than you) would put a VITON part in our pump.



I am waiting for a public appology and correction on your website.

 

Damn, someone just called out...this is going to get good

 

Bump!!

 

this spawned from a vendor on here. when vendors become more educated. this **** will stop.

how about someone tell AIS to pull his head out of his ass and get his **** straight.

 

if he knows what he's talking about or not there is no reason to put out false information...car salesmen have no clue what they are talking about yet we still buy cobalts....

 

pwnt.

 

attacking members on this board.

saying that some people don't have a clue what they are doing when it comes to water injection kits.

oh yes. this was all in ONE post.

 

So by your own logic(which I agree with) it is left to the consumer to do their research. All well and good, until a vendor starts pissing contest with his competitiors. Most on here are smart enoguh to know what works and what doesn't, and if we don't, we know how to acquire the information readily. What we don't need are these wars that get started up about "Why my stuff is better than his stuff".

Here's an idea....If you as a vendor want to claim why your stick is bigger than your competition's stick, then explain why. Pictures are fine and all pretty, but some people are new to the car world, and have NO CLUE what the hell EPMD vs Vitol means, or brass versus nickel. Explain why it's better, explain you came to this knowledge(because face it, EVERYONE at some point screws up), and quit telling us to "call such and such"....It's your claim, you do the legwork and provide the proof, because as a vendor the burden is on you.

 

AIS FTW! just installed mine and its hella easy. nothing to worry about and premo parts. I have seen the Devil's Own kit and it looks pretty sick too. you guys arent consistent on your products. my 2 buds ordered the same exact kit and in one kit all the threads had sealant on it and in kit number 2 there wasnt.... small things like that that make you do extra work and are downers in my book.

 

yea...ive yet to see either one put out false information...and just so its know AIS (and im sure devils own) arent soley based off of cobalts alone...so for them to say something that may offend someone (area47) about tuning...u cant really get too mad..if they dont personally drive a cobalt or tune cobalts (which most of there kits are to high end hp cars like gto's and vettes) when they suggest maybe its the tune..they dont know u..tey are just giving a basic answer and still keep from someone coming back and blaming them on there tune...

 

i have to strongly disagree, that viton does not work with methanol. i am an instrument technician, have worked on over a 1000 chemical/methanol pumps in the oilfield,

fluoro ring dont work, buna N orings dont work

but viton does, and does teflon but sucks ***** to install, the pumps u guys use i can get for dirt cheap, thanks to my dealers at work, its just ur controllers, which are something i cant obtain, but i can make own too


but like i stated i will strongly stand behind a viton oring any day.

 

All I saw in that post was that AIS had differing opinions, you blew it out of proportion, then got pissy when you realized that there are people in this world that don't worship the ground you walk on and accept your words as law..

 

wrong.

when i know the exact problem with the car, and posted the exact problem with the same car.

yet im the bad tuner? right.

the nozzle on said car is too big. i POSTED this. did you miss that part? then i got hit with "oh there is no way it is too big"

bullshit.

i never said i knew everything. pay more attention.

 

Some people will never learn, no one on here ever said that Area knew everything in the world... but he doesn't deserve to be called out and said basically that he doesn't know **** about Water injection or tuning....

kthxbai

 

I never said he's a bad tuner... as a matter of fact everytime he posts results from his tunes I'm impressed...
But I think they way the disagreement was handled in that post was ridiculous... You both posted finding supporting your side, and when neither side budged, it turned into a pissing match of who can convince more people that they know more... really nothing got accomplished.
I think you took his tuning comment the wrong way as Raven stated above... I didn't think that was a personal attack at all.

 

cobaltstg2,

I assure you your pump has all the necessary EPDM parts inside including the o-ring. As proof and really the only way to find out the truth, I highly encourage you to simply remove the 3 screws to reveal a black EPDM o-ring inside. Just as another member has posted on here, euthanasia, you will also find a black EPDM o-ring not a Viton brown o-ring as described by this competitor.





For any other members concerned with the quality and integrity of your pump purchased from AIS, I assure you every pump sold by Alcohol Injection Systems, LLC from its start of business has been sold with all EPDM. I will say that again. Every pump sold by AIS has been sold with all EPDM. Customers are welcomed and encourage to inspect their pumps.

The pump shown in the picture is not an AIS pump. This competitor is using a pump which is nearly two years for comparison to a new pump. Shurely, we could source a old pump by this competitor in which they were using Viton components at the time and make a comparison.

GENERAL ADVERTISING POLICIES

What truth-in-advertising rules apply to advertisers?
Under the Federal Trade Commission Act:

* Advertising must be truthful and non-deceptive;
* Advertisers must have evidence to back up their claims; and
* Advertisements cannot be unfair.

What makes an advertisement deceptive?
According to the FTC's Deception Policy Statement, an ad is deceptive if it contains a statement - or omits information - that:

* Is likely to mislead consumers acting reasonably under the circumstances; and
* Is "material" - that is, important to a consumer's decision to buy or use the product.

Before a company runs an ad, such as this post by this competitor, it has to have a "reasonable basis" for the claims. A "reasonable basis" means objective or substantiated evidence that supports the claim. The kind of evidence depends on the claim. At a minimum, an advertiser must have the level of evidence that it says it has what they claim. This competitor assumed we were using the same pump.

Unfortunately for this competitor we have "substantiated evidence" to prove Alcohol Injection Systems, LLC has never once sold a pump as described by this competitor. This is a crucial mistake on their part as legal action is being looked into.

To further clear matters up, the use of all EPDM is only necessary when running percentages of methanol greater then 50% upwards to 100% methanol. Customer who are running less then 50% methanol need not be concerned with their pump as customers may own the standard 60 and 100 psi pumps sold by Shurflo.

 

i have not been in the best of moods recently. so my reaction to said comments may have been a bit harsh.

m-dub is a good friend of mine, so all he is doing is playing back up on my behalf. he means no harm man




everyone has their beliefs, they will take what they will for whatever it may be worth. i just post mere suggestions

 

We have never once said anything bad about Area 47. Wat we said was completely taken out of text and misunderstood.

Sorry you feel that way. This isn't directed personally at you in anyway. I simply don't agree with suggesting to members and customers to run a number 3 gph nozzle when we have found the number 6 gph nozzle to be more appropriate and provide better results. Furthermore, I have explained in detail why this is. We did not just pull this number out of a hat.

Additionally, how is it that our customers and other members running systems by other competing water methanol manufactures have found running a number 5 or 6 gph nozzle to work better? Some of whom have posted on threads which you have participated in explaining the larger nozzle worked better and further reduced knock.

You have not acknowledged this. Instead you discredit it every time suggesting to members to use a number 3 gph nozzle. I have personally helped members optimize the performance of their water methanol injection system even when it has not been one of our own. I am here to help members as best as i can when it comes to water methanol injection. I respect your opinion and information.

The point of interacting on forums is simply to inform. You do not have to agree.

We are simply tired of being attacked and accused by members and not being able to post our findings.

Rodney

 

Not as I remember it....

Modify post much?

 

lets end this... there both good kits(devils own, AIS) let each person find out what works best for them... i am personally happy with AIS... i did take the pump apart and my findings was just to be exact as the pics from above ... this was false info posted by the op probally a big mistake.....

 

I have not posted any lies. Your very first line below proves you contradicts yourself.
Are you suggesting that i took your pump and popped in a different seal? But that contradicts your first line below.

How am i mis-informed? The pump does say coolingmist on it? So it is your pump? You have always sold these as methanol compatible? So some people did buy this pump with the viton o-ring, But you at the time sold it as methanol compatible?

I am not talking about your older silver pump nor our older pump that neither of us sold this way. Both of our older pumps are viton.

How is this dis-honest? Is it your pump or not... Did you sell it as methanol compatible?


Brass can be used but will need to be replaced over time. Nickel plated nozzles don't have the orifices grow like the non plated nozzles. If someone is going to buy a 20.00 nozzle it better last a life time. The cheaper brass nozzles will need to be replaced ever few years as the orifices grows. We did not have the ability to offer the coated nozzles till recently.

But whats funny cm and there vendor are the only alcohol injection companys that don't believe in methanol and brass compatibility problems. I can provide links to where snow, fjo and aquimist also come to the same conclusion.

Can you verify i did not call? Come on. I had to post the datasheet to prove you wrong last time I could not have gotten it. I guess we will see when someone else calls. I was told the part used was still viton. Did the person on the phone maybe tell me wrong? Maybe . Did i buy a new pump from you. No ..I bought it when you first come out with the new black pump. Why should i buy a new pump when i was told by shurflo the current part used was viton? I never said the pumps sitting on your shelf are viton on the one i had was. And that shurflo tells me its still viton. but who knows.

I doubt i pissed them off. I think they would have said something. To shurflo we both are very small customers. When it boils down to it shuflo does not want the pumps to be used for more than a 50/50 mix anyways. So i guess we are pissing up wind.



So what you going to say when someone reports back as viton oring?

Remember the pump i used was viton.... I never said your newer ones did. Only said i was told that they did. And being black does not necessary mean epdm. So i did not post any misinformation.

 

i have devils own and it works for me. nickel plated is the way to go lol

 

what about the days on end u needed help with the wiring?