I can go that way too. After a few years of having a Turbo Grand Prix they changed to the Supercharged model now known as the GTP which now carries on to the G6. The Supercharged model outlasted the Turbo'd model.

 

I hope RickyW realizes the service managers are one of the last to actually hear about models and changes.

And I've heard a lot of the "Well the parts manager told me a turbo was coming out" well I talked to the parts manager at work and he told me this. "Whatever the hell comes out will come out, but I'll be one of the last to know"

Only people at a dealership to truly know before the public are the Dealer themselves. Not the sales people, but the DEALER who actually says what goes.

 

....guess well see in detroit

Also thru the grapevine , the Astra "should" be in full VXR (redline trim) in LA and the hp figure mentioned was 260 hp . Not sure I trust that info though ...guess well see soon . LA is in November . Thats the first mention Ive heard Saturn is acually importing the coupe too .

 

260hp huh....
interesting....so the new astra has the same HP rating as the LNF engine.....
interesting.....so that "proof" thread that everyone saw a while ago...showing the LNF "small car" could very well be the astra...and not the cobalt....


*SHOCK HORROR!!!!*

 

I bet if, and I truly mean IF they do come out with a turbo cobalt, the hp will be right around what it is now for the SC's.

 

This I believe is a possibility...but a hopefully not. Since the MS3 and SRT-4 have upped the power, GM needs to keep the hp numbers up to become halfway credible in this segment.

 

Hey hey hey i wasint trying to say one was better than the other (Never ending story) but i was just giving an example of a company that changed from s/c to t/c. As for the GTP good for it, it works.

 

thats why there gonan slap on stage 2 on all 08+ models

 

But you see here, the Grand Prix GTP is made my GM, so is our beloved Cobalt. See a trend?

And theres plenty of ways to up the power on the SC'd models, that is why they developed stage kits. DERRR

 

Theoretically you are exactly right . The LSJ is very underrated , the LNF is NOT underrated . The biggest gain would be in torque , which is a pretty big jump over the LSJ . Stock LSJ wtq is typically around 190-200 , to where the LNF is north of 230 at the wheels . The LNF would put the SS a smidge faster than the Mazdaspeed3 ....with less weight in the Cobalts favor .

 

how the hell you know what ip i am using

 

You are making no point dude except wow GM makes two different cars but the rumor is that they are switching to Turbo in 08 so what does that have to do with the GTP??? If the S/C is working good then why would they change? It makes no sence to me, i love the s/c whine and the instant power (evean tho i dont onw an s/c) the only reason i can think of to change it is to maby me more compettive with the srt-4 out of the box stock.....and thats just a shot in the dark.

See this trend;
Cooper S s/c to t/c
Cobalt SS s/c to t/c (mabe of course)


EDIT: I made a chat room in the css.net chat place if any one wants to talk in there about it.......

 

You just proved my point.

You told us all about the Mini Cooper S, how it changed. Not the same company.

So I told you of the Grand Prix that changed and is made by the same company as the cobalt. Theres a little bit more a of a similarity in comparing 2 cars from the same company that have forced induction.

See This Trend;
Cooper S s/c to t/c
Cobalt s/c to t/c (not likely)
Grand Prix TGP t/c to GTP S/c

WHAT A TREND....

We can go one forever with this TREND you've "noticed"

 

not the sc whine sound hte sound that tha bearings make when there about to go. i have gone through my 3rd supercharger and now my 1st new bearing set.

Wheel hop as far as the instant tq we get causes us to get the wheel hop most of the time so if we get a turbo we get the turbo lag that will more then like let us start with traction. I dont know if there will be a turbo model or not. Frankly i dont car im going to twin charge and call it a day and then get me my evo next year for the all wheel drive.

 

If your racing then you'll have your rev.s up and have the "instant torque" you speak off and you will still have wheel hop.

And twincharging will not gain you as much hp as you think, its more or less a waste of money.

 

all I want to know is where did the turbo rumor stem from anyways?

 

Noobs....of course


Actually I don't know to tell the truth, but it probly stemmed from the SRT-4 being turbo'd.
Then someone made a fake screenshot of "proof"
Then some people "verified" it because they know all

And it keeps going and going and going

 

Cant wait until 08 when these topics stop...

 

Dude how is that a trend if they went form turbo to S/C and now they are going form S/C to turbo, and plus there is no comparrison between the GTP and the Cobalt except they are made by the same people. Now maby if they had the same engine then you could compare. Im not sure where you get your attitude from but it doesint show much for you.

 

So how does the Mini Cooper compare to the Cobalt? Not even close to the same company dude. Maybe you should research. Plus the cobalt isnt going s/c to turbo. Maybe your thick headed self should go back (or maybe even keep going) to high school. And since in another thread awhile back you said ASE tests are so easy, maybe you should try one because its obvious you don't know much when it comes to cars.

Now i'm awaiting a mod to come in and get pissed at me for this.

 

OK smart ass tell me how a GTP and a Cobalt SS compare, they are totall different cars. Whoo peee doo they are made by the same person, its like trying to compare an srt-4 to a viper, same company thats about it. And for the 100th time i said i was just comparing the mini with the fact that it is changing to T/C like the cobalt might be doing its pretty obvious they are two totally different cars so what ever point you thought you were making is a totaly different thing (comparing mini to cobalt). Dont question my knowledge for cars ive been working on them since ive been old enough to hold a screw driver. Weather or not i have an ASE patch on my shirt.

I didnt buy this car looking like this;

 

I'm really curious why you're convinced that the cobalt isn't gonna be turbo'd.

I'm not saying it will, I have my suspicions, but I won't go around like they're facts.

 

I'm with this guy

 

I believe the cobalt WON'T be turboed because all the "evidence" we've seen is not evidence at all. The most "hardcore" evidence we've seen is a screenshot from a word document, not a GM website and in the screenshot you can tell its a personal computer not a GM computer. Theres a very limited amount of sites an employee can access from home for GM and since that was supposedly on GM's Intranet then how did everything get transferred to their personal computer? Also on the screenshot it said GM SMALL CAR and I believe the Designation was X. However the Cobalt Product line is A and not X.

Theres no one that can actually verify that any of the "evidence" we have seen is anywhere close to true. Nearly anyone can makeup a screenshot saying "Cobalt 2008 LNF engine" There have been I believe around 3 people that say "oh I work for GM in design" or "I work at the factory" and none of them can back up that they truly do. As a matter of fact the last person I Saw say they work in the factory at Lordstown posted twice and all they did was add b.s. to the fire.

What evidence do we have that TRULY says they're even debating a turbo cobalt? The fact that they turbo'd the Sky and Solstice? Theres a reason for that, they're a high performance sports car aimed at an older audience. The cobalt is a performance "tuner" car. Until about a month ago that was the closest evidence, now that the HHR is turbo'd that obviously means the cobalt is getting it right? Not necessarily.

GM has made its name with performance from superchargers. Even in the cavalier days they offered supercharger kits. Not turbos. GM has almost perfected there technology with superchargers. Turbo's in GM have only been used on the cobalt drag cars, and salt flat cars and those were to simply break records. If GM was coming out with a turbo then why make the stage kits for the supercharger? Why even develop Stage 3 if in a year (supposedly) they were making it a turbo.

And since rumor is the cobalt would be getting a six speed tranny why (unless they plan to use the exact same axle connections) would they be creating stronger axles for 2008 to fight wheel hop. Plus the six speed tranny that is supposedly being used is a rear wheel drive tranny, and I believe we all know theres a difference between rear wheel drive trannies and front wheel drive trannies.

AND T-DAWG YO, I bring up the GTP because yes it is built by GM. GM is the trend here. Why would you bring up a Mini Cooper sayin they changed their forced induction habits? Mini is a british company, GM is American. And since you were simply comparing how Mini changed to t/c I was simply comparing how the Grand Prix's changed from T/c to S/c. Theres a little more similarity in the GP to the Cobalt in forced induction. GM knows how well people like the Supercharger, the instant power, and how well a supercharged model works. With the Solstice and Sky's its simply a feeler vehicle. Yes I said it a feeler, to see how well the LNF turbo motor works in America. Why Did I say it was a feeler? Because GM , along with everyother automaker gets an idea and puts it to work in a limited quanity to the market. How many Solstices and Sky's are turbo'd? Not a whole lot, if GM thought the technology they had was perfect or even damn good they would release more and more LNF's into this world.

 

That's fair. I can appreciate that the evidence we've seen is circumstantial at best.

GM employees can actually access a lot at home, it just takes a really long time. The only reason I know this is because I know a couple of GM co-ops, who can usually get me any information I wanted. This is equally as unsubstantial as prior "evidence", so take it FWIW.

Theres a lot of people grumbling that GM tried to use the technology it had to make a tuner car, and cursed us with a supercharger. While there is plenty of things to help out a supercharger, you have many many more options with a turbo in the eyes of most people. I won't change over, but several people on here are doing so. A factory turbo'd vehicle would sell much better than a factory supercharged car to the "tuner" market.

The 6sp I see them using is the F40 out of the SAAB. FWD, since the engineering to try and convert a RWD to FWD would be expensive at best.

I agree with your positives of superchargers. But the business case is for a turbo engine.

One more thing to think about: we haven't seen any solid evidence that it won't be a turbo either.